smacker fat burner opposed to Vaspro

[mm107]

IMO that looks like alot to take in a single day and proceed cautiously when you have Y and E in tandem. E being a beta agonist will work to release epinephrine and norepinephrine quite well, couple that with Y (alpha 2 antagonist) which temporarily blocks off blood vessel dilation and sedation...could lead you to arrythmia, dizziness, blood pressure issues until the drugs clear your system. I think a better way to do it would be to take E for a cycle then when you no longer get jittery, drop it and switch to Y for a cycle and keep repeating the process.

my premade stack has Yohimbe in it as well, I do get lightheaded/dizzy, wonder if that could be it. Even if it is i wont stop! lol j/k

 

[alex2678]

Alright, thank you for that other prespective. It does seem like I am stacking a bit much, but we'll see how much my body can handle. Right now I am worried about ephedra 25mg 3x a day being too much, but I'll see how I feel. Also, is the benedryl at night safe? and how about taking the TRx with everything?

If you've never taken any of these supplements, it's probably a good idea to start off with one dose a day, see how you feel and then increase from there. Maybe start with just the ECA then add the yohimbe, then the TRx after a few days. Everyone reacts differently. Ephedra/Mahaung has other phytochemicals within the herb aside from ephedrine that actually help stabilize blood pressure once it clears the body. I've heard a few people say they got lightheaded from yohimbe and others who felt no effect, so you might want to start with a small amount with that as well. Remember with all these stimulants, your only increasing your metabolic rate at around 10%, so if they don't react well with you, diet and cardio will probably get you to your goal just as fast. The supplements are just good additions that help preserve muscle tissue and increase fat oxidation.

 

[Mr_Sinister]

also try adding b-vitamins niacin and riboflavin. The body uses these to make cofactors (NAD and FAD) which assist in metabolism. Theoretically metabolic processes slow down because there are not enough cofactors to carry electrons and then you have backup of metabolites which end up getting stored or backed up until more cofactors show up. This is in theory, in reality not really sure how much fat/carbs you have to dump into mitochondria to cause slowdown. In any event a bottle of B-vitamins cost 2-4 dollars so you really have nothing to lose.

 

[sydney22]

I am going to start slow, and just take the ECA stack at first, which should arrive on the 8th. Then maybe a little later I'll add in some stuff, I also have some yohimburn that I still have to use. Speaking of which, how can I use it more effectively?

But back to the Ephedra, alex2678, its not that I don't trust you, but I'd like to know if anyone else thinks I should take less than 75mg a day of ephedra?? I'm a little scared of taking that much. Do you or anyone else have other suggestions or know what are common doeses for someone my size. About 5'9" and 140lb?

Mr Sinister, I take GNCs Ultra Mega Woman or some shit like that, do you think that has enough B vitamins in it or should I maybe take a B-complex too?

 

[alex2678]

Start off slow, with ECA one a day and then increase it...(You can trust me. LOL) Here's one of the many studies showing ephedra's safety of up to 90 mgs. a day as long as you don't have pre-existing health problems:

http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?id=35259-another-us-study

Another link:

http://www.winltdusa.com/about/infocenter/healthnews/articles/ephedra.htm

 

[alex2678]

And at 5'9 140 lbs. your already in good shape as it is. (I imagine your looking to gain muscle and lose some bodyfat otherwise you wouldn't be on this site though.LOL) You can get into great shape in 8-12 weeks without taking anything at all if the supplements scare you or don't agree with you. Diet,cardio and some coffee are really all you need for someone like yourself to get great results.

 

[sydney22]

I do trust you to an extent, otherwise I wouldn't be asking you for more information. Thanks for the links too.

Honestly, I feel like such an imposter on this site...I used to belong to a forum I'd rather not name, which believed in absolute clean dieting, no riods, barely anything but protein and a multi. I followed their advice and dropped quite some weight and gained a lot of muslce for me. (its hard for me to gain muslce without a significant amount of protein) Anyways, I stopped, binged a lot, gained a lot of weight, and now don't really want to go down that same road. So its like I kinda feel like I belong here because I know some of my shit, but I don't want to get involved. At the minute I just want to run my ass off, preserve as much muscle as I can, while losing as much weight as I can. I hope that doesn't change your mind about helping me. I really appreciate a place to go to ask questions where people actually have educated answers. Thank you.

 

[alex2678]

Honestly, I feel like such an imposter on this site...I hope that doesn't change your mind about helping me. I really appreciate a place to go to ask questions where people actually have educated answers. Thank you.

You'll never be an imposter on this site. As long as you have questions, I and most everyone on here, are more than happy to help you out and give you answers. There's really no better feeling for me to get asked a question at the gym, give suggestions and watch the person achieve their goals. Just a personal thing I guess. Anyways, hope the links helped you out and feel free to ask as many questions as you like.

 

[Mr_Sinister]

i couldn't agree more w/alex. We wouldn't be here if we didn't care. Also regarding your question, personally i take 1-2 b-vitamin pills before i workout, i've never heard of anyone having interactions from going above the rda recommendation. I also notice i get amped up and nervous after taking it nearly like ephedrine jitters, but that's probably just me.

 

[sydney22]

i couldn't agree more w/alex. We wouldn't be here if we didn't care. Also regarding your question, personally i take 1-2 b-vitamin pills before i workout, i've never heard of anyone having interactions from going above the rda recommendation. I also notice i get amped up and nervous after taking it nearly like ephedrine jitters, but that's probably just me.

How many mg of each is that? In my multi I have 80mg of B-2, 35mg of Niacin, 80mg of B-6, 400mg of Folic acid, 80mg of B-12, and 300mg of Biotin. Those dosages are spread out to twice a day. The ECA stack I am going to take also contains vitmin B-5. What do you say?