Shout out to Nelson on his Perfect Cycle

[pumpmurph101]

that is the total truth trendsetter. i dont understand why everyone says u have to do so many mg of primo i used only 200 mg a week and had great results and that was only for 5 weeks. mabye my body just responds different. i went from around 184 to 192 while on cycle and when i got off 5 weeks later I was 190 but yet still leaner looking so i know i gained some muscle and lost some fat. but hey thats just me like they say everyone is different. i just started again yesterday after being off five and makin sure everything was working fine and honestly i can already feel the begining of the pumps that u get from it. believe it or not thats the truth!

 

[sensational]

I think the difference between "peak blood levels" and "kicking in" are often confused or misunderstood.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I have always and will always advice longer cycles with primo for this reason and others though. The gains are slower and take longer to see. So I just feel to get the most out of it its best to take for longer. Keep a good thing going know what I mean

And Primo is one compound you can run a little longer. But the "Perfect Cycle" elfman is talking about is so clean and side effect free it's like finding money.

 

[Para_Shoot]

Exactly. Sure Primo gains aren't as apparent because they're subtle but if anything, Primo is more "fast acting" simply for the fast that it's so anabolic. Shoot some Primo and eat a steak and you can grow some muscle.

Were talking about methenolone ENANTHATE ester here as far as the Primo, right?...and not Primo Depot, correct? Yes, I agree that ANY aas does start working as soon as you inject it but the enanthate ester, no matter what AAS it's attached to, is a very slow releasing ester, right?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Were talking about methenolone ENANTHATE ester here as far as the Primo, right?...and not Primo Depot, correct? Yes, I agree that ANY aas does start working as soon as you inject it but the enanthate ester, no matter what AAS it's attached to, is a very slow releasing ester, right?

It is active for approx 10 days so how can a compound possibly not work until 3 weeks of taking it? It just makes no sense.

Even a slow acting ester works immediately (not as potently as something like prop obviously) and will work to grow muscle as long as it's in the system.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

That is just wrong. Not true. Erroneous. Wrong. The people who say that don't know how to eat and train. I do.


Glad the cycle worked out for you bro. It's a little complex and even a little fastidious but it's clean and effective. You won't get huge gains but they'll be long lasting with virtually no suppression as long as you follow the simple natty PCT.

Let me rephrase. it takes longer to see results thn 3-5 weeks like he says he saw. It was the dball IMO that gave him the gains.

Kick in is used, IMO, as saying you may not see results until 3-4 weeks in.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Would agree that the word Kicked in is the wrong phrase to use when speaking of AAS being anabolic?

It was used I believe as in the other posts to say you have not seen any gains or wont see it manifest physically for 3-4 weeks on the longer esters.

Maybe we need to come up with a better term for this phrase seeing how people take it so literal.

IMO Primo is a waste if not taken for minimum 12 weeks and that is still too short.

The OP gained 5 lbs of muscle from the dball. As we all know Dball manifests it gains much quicker. he is also holding his gains because the test and primo are still acitve in his system most likely.

Nelson I like what ya preach around here. I agree with 95% of it. SO I a not arguing with you at all just trying to change some of the terminology used around here.

 

[eflman11]

I was so interested to see how it would work or in that case will work that I kept to a very strict meal plan. This was my layout 1 meal 1 cup of oats with 4 egg whites a 2 whole eggs scrambled together and a half cup of a choice of fruit 12 ounces of water,meal 2 12 ounces of protein shake mixed with creatine bcaa's,meal 3 pwo shake 8 ounces gatoraide mixed with creatine and whey,meal 4 an 8 ounce chicken breast with veggies,meal 5 beef tenderloin or 2, 6 ounces of salmon with veggies ,sweet or baked potatoe,last meal would be some kind of fruit or eggs or however I felt I wanted to eat or a protein shake. And that is how I ate and it worked oh I drank lots of water lol.The only thing I can say is that it worked for me.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Would agree that the word Kicked in is the wrong phrase to use when speaking of AAS being anabolic?

It was used I believe as in the other posts to say you have not seen any gains or wont see it manifest physically for 3-4 weeks on the longer esters.

Maybe we need to come up with a better term for this phrase seeing how people take it so literal.

IMO Primo is a waste if not taken for minimum 12 weeks and that is still too short.

The OP gained 5 lbs of muscle from the dball. As we all know Dball manifests it gains much quicker. he is also holding his gains because the test and primo are still acitve in his system most likely.

Nelson I like what ya preach around here. I agree with 95% of it. SO I a not arguing with you at all just trying to change some of the terminology used around here.

Granted, terms like "kicked in" and "shut down" are really just "made up" terminology. But just because gais will be minimal on Primo doesn't make it a waste. Even 3-4 pounds is better than you'd get training naturally for a year. And it is possible in a month. (But any shorter would be a waste).

 

[fromkrypton]

Been waiting for some time for a post about Nelson's "perfect cycle". . . thanks eflman. Nice to know that short cycles can be effective.