Short VS Long cycles

[joh]

i wish i could get Test P joh I wonder if 6 weeks of Test E or Sust would work?

you could preload with test e. I never done it of course though apparently this is the way to go with the long esters. Preloading is easy to calculate too. If I remember correctly if you plan to shoot 250mg then the first shot you do is 500mg. This will get your blood levels to the desired amount faster and will stay even for the duration of the cycle. Search for cycle preloading / jumpstarting. You still have to wait long after your last shot to start your PCT though. Sustanon already has test prop in it. so it will act quicker but again since it has test e too you will have to wait for PCT again.

short esters are a way to go. those who say - you have to pin much more often with short esters ... well there is simple arithmetics here too ... first you shoot 3 times a week with prop and 2 times a week with test e. not that much more. second over the length of 10 week cycle with test e you actually shoot more times than you would with prop. On a 10 week test e cycle you shoot 23 times total. On a 6 weeks prop cycle you shoot 21 times total ... AND you get same results AND you do not waste time ... AND you are shut down for HALF the time compared to test e.

there are benefits of using test e or cyp if one runs VERY long cycles or you are on a permanent HRT. may be there are other reasons but for a average enhanced bodybuilder prop is the way to go.
though I gotta admit that prop can be a bit painful. but there are ways to get rid of the sting too.
so find prop

 

[soupeater]

i wonder what the general consensus is on the shortest effective cycle of Sustanon or Test E.... 6 weeks? 5 weeks?

thanks again for the info joh. ill be researching the frontload approach.

 

[zack!!!]

you could preload with test e. I never done it of course though apparently this is the way to go with the long esters. Preloading is easy to calculate too. If I remember correctly if you plan to shoot 250mg then the first shot you do is 500mg. This will get your blood levels to the desired amount faster and will stay even for the duration of the cycle. Search for cycle preloading / jumpstarting. You still have to wait long after your last shot to start your PCT though. Sustanon already has test prop in it. so it will act quicker but again since it has test e too you will have to wait for PCT again.

short esters are a way to go. those who say - you have to pin much more often with short esters ... well there is simple arithmetics here too ... first you shoot 3 times a week with prop and 2 times a week with test e. not that much more. second over the length of 10 week cycle with test e you actually shoot more times than you would with prop. On a 10 week test e cycle you shoot 23 times total. On a 6 weeks prop cycle you shoot 21 times total ... AND you get same results AND you do not waste time ... AND you are shut down for HALF the time compared to test e.

there are benefits of using test e or cyp if one runs VERY long cycles or you are on a permanent HRT. may be there are other reasons but for a average enhanced bodybuilder prop is the way to go.
though I gotta admit that prop can be a bit painful. but there are ways to get rid of the sting too.
so find prop

what do you do to get away sting ?

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

The only way I'm shooting ed or eod is if I'm doing a big ass cycle.

No way I'd shoot prop unless I had a serious reason to.

 

[soupeater]

hey zack, ive read slapping the area prior to wiping it with alcohol helps as does numbing it with ice for a few minutes before injecting. Also warming the oil before injecting, injecting slowly, massaging the site after, etc are all supposed to help a bit with the pain.

 

[joh]

hey zack, ive read slapping the area prior to wiping it with alcohol helps as does numbing it with ice for a few minutes before injecting. Also warming the oil before injecting, injecting slowly, massaging the site after, etc are all supposed to help a bit with the pain.

^^^ this.

and for some (and for me) I have to bake out the BA out of the vial before I shoot or I get pain AND test flu.
basically - you put the vial in the oven, put a pin in and bake it and let the BA evaporate through the pin. You need to use up the vial quickly though because since there is no BA bacteria may form there and you dont want infection.
I have to do it or otherwise I get horrible test flu next day after each shot and it is all caused by BA.
warming the oil and massaging the site works best for getting rid of the pain. I also find that if I shoot ventro glut there is almost no pain just discomfort (like 1 on the scale 1 to 10). gluts are ok for pain (4 on the scale 1 to 10), the quads are the worst (8 on the scale 1 to 10).
I consider toothache to be 15 on the scale 1 to 10
and ear ache 25 on the scale 1 to 10

the pain for me never comes during or right after the shot. it is usually 12-18 hours after that site gets sore. using good gear makes big difference too