Short VS Long cycles

[TONY83]

What's ur openion on short vc long cycles? Which one worked best for u takin in acount all the aspects of a cycle?
I personaly ran a long cycle with started in december of 08 and ended it in may 09, this was very stupid, don't get me wrong the gains where great, I had to swith from one anabolic to another so my receptors would build up a tolerance, but the worse thing was recovery time, even though with a pretty heavy PCT I never felt worse after a cycle than this.
From now on I will stick only to 10 to 12 week cycles.

What is yall experieces with short or long cycles?

 

[damachine]

ill let you know in another week im just finishing up a 16 weeker the longest i have ever done

 

[REFORMATA]

I'm glad you're recovered bro..did you get bloodwork


I've done both short and longer...not more than 12 weeks though.

Deca was the hardest to recover from @ 600mg a week...

And a 6 weeker feels like almost nothing coming off!!

I have heard its necessary to promote nitrogen retention for at least 10 weeks to make lasting gains.

I've made lasting gains on 6 week cycles...


I think it has to do with your natty levels, and DIET

And also your level of intelligence....knowing that your training must change slightly coming off...keeping weights as HEAVY as possible, but not lifting as long or as often till you heal your HPTA.

 

[TONY83]

No bloodwork yet, I usually wait 3 months b4 I get blood work done, just to give my body enough time to recover. But now I feel fine, some of my strengh is back, and of couse I always keep my diet clean, on and off cycle, eventhough when I am offcycle I decrease my carb intake and slightly increase my protein intake.

 

[bowly]

depending on your age and genetics the longer you are on cycle the more likeliness of you loosing some of the gains as the natty test will take time to come back..with shorter cycle you may still have hpta not suppressed to a large extent and recovery can be faster..added bonus-you can start your next cycle sooner than a previous long cycle..

 

[Wulfgar]

i am always on some type of muscle building product....but never anyone thing for longer than 6 weeks. More often less than 6 actually. I rotate between AAS, peptides/anabolic non-AAS chemistry, and cortisol/estrogen inhibiting protocols.
seems to do the trick, keeps me healthy and responding consistently and safely

 

[TONY83]

Very true BOWLY One major thing I noticed when I got done with my cycle is that strengh went downhill quickly eventhough PCT was there, never had a problem like this with 10 week cycles, also yea I lost 15lbs since end of cycle.

I am about to start a peptide cycle but I am gonna wait untill I get my bloodwork done.

 

[eClenbuterol]

What's ur openion on short vc long cycles? Which one worked best for u takin in acount all the aspects of a cycle?
I personaly ran a long cycle with started in december of 08 and ended it in may 09, this was very stupid, don't get me wrong the gains where great, I had to swith from one anabolic to another so my receptors would build up a tolerance, but the worse thing was recovery time, even though with a pretty heavy PCT I never felt worse after a cycle than this.
From now on I will stick only to 10 to 12 week cycles.

What is yall experieces with short or long cycles?

I found optinal cycles for size and gains AND health have been around 12-14 weeks for me, I don't suggest anything longer. Short cycle, I just don't get the gains I want.

 

[TONY83]

T I feel the same way on cycles shorter than 10 weeks so far the most gains I have made and kept a pretty good % of it was from a 12 week cycle

 

[2DIEZEL]

This will always be a debate, but if you know how to cycle your compounds properly you could make great gains off both.

 

[C.K.]

Every cycle i've done all the gains were made in weeks 1-6/8 so i like to keep em short 2 months cycles 1 month off for PCT and repeat

 

[TONY83]

So u run 4 cycles a year? How much of ur gains u keep? How about ur strengh and size, do they get better each cycle u do? I am guessing u use different gear each cycle, or how do u do it?

 

[C.K.]

So u run 4 cycles a year? How much of ur gains u keep? How about ur strengh and size, do they get better each cycle u do? I am guessing u use different gear each cycle, or how do u do it?

I keep every pound... hit it hard and get out i only lose a lil strength in the month off but barely any size... every cycle builds ontop of what i gained on the last only uphill never down.

 

[Nelson Montana]

This is exactly what Needto's new product BRIDGE will address. It'll keep you on "something" year round, but giving the body a break from the drugs, allowing the receptors to refresh and preparing the body for the next cycle. Think of it as a low cost, safe alternative to peptides, IGF and HGH.

 

[soupeater]

hey ck, what compounds are you using for your 6-8 week cycles?

 

[soupeater]

that makes sense thatbloke. from all that ive read it seems like 8 weeks is the conservative sweet spot when using injectables.

 

[joh]

I'll chime in though in favor of short cycles.
I ran Test Prop at 150mg EOD for 5 weeks. I stopped because sides (acne) started to catch up and gains slowed down. I took HCGenerate while on and in PCT.
Also for 4 week PCT - Nolva, Unleashed, HCGenerate as I mentioned and OSTA Sarm.
Gained 11 LB in 5 weeks.
The first week of PCT I dropped 4 lb - water weight. I also dropped 20% of the strength I gained.
At the end of 4 week PCT I gained 1 more pound for the total of 8 lb of muscle (7 on cycle + 1 on PCT) I also lost 1% BF. at the end of PCT (which is 2 more pounds of lost fat and gained muscle). All my strength I gained on cycle and lost in the first week of PCT was back at the end of PCT again.
Quick and painless recovery. - I am 38, 6.2, 200lb, 14%bf

I was off for 2.5 month now and about to start my next cycle ... probably Beastdrol (20mg ED) for 4 weeks + Test prop (150mg EOD) for 5 or so weeks depending on how the sides show up.

I am planning to only do short cycles with quick acting orals and short easter injectables.

My thinking - if you run 8-10 weeks of test enan that takes 4 weeks to act, so you actually feel the results in your last 4-6 weeks and then you wait to start PCT for 2 weeks after .... that's a WASTE of time. ...

runing 5 weeks of prop gets you in and out quick and you are actually on decent amount of test on day 3 and you can start your PCT 3 days after last shot. so you are getting the benefits for the same amount of time BUT with no waisted time and unnecessary additional 6 weeks (total) shutdown before and after cycle.

so me doing prop for 5-6 weeks compared to someone doing test enan or cyp for 8-10 weeks - I am WAY ahead of them. and I can do more cycles a year.
that's my logic, took me 1 year of research to learn and 1 cycle to confirm ... I may be wrong though but hey ... it works for me.

 

[zack!!!]

i am always on some type of muscle building product....but never anyone thing for longer than 6 weeks. More often less than 6 actually. I rotate between AAS, peptides/anabolic non-AAS chemistry, and cortisol/estrogen inhibiting protocols.
seems to do the trick, keeps me healthy and responding consistently and safely

do you stay on test the whole time ?

 

[soupeater]

i wish i could get Test P joh I wonder if 6 weeks of Test E or Sust would work?

 

[stevesmi]

2 cycles a year. 1 short.. like 4-5 weeks... and 1 'long' like 10-12 weeks.

dont forget the esthers dont leave the body for 2-5 weeks depending on the compound.. so really a 12 weeker is really even longer.

 

[joh]

i wish i could get Test P joh I wonder if 6 weeks of Test E or Sust would work?

you could preload with test e. I never done it of course though apparently this is the way to go with the long esters. Preloading is easy to calculate too. If I remember correctly if you plan to shoot 250mg then the first shot you do is 500mg. This will get your blood levels to the desired amount faster and will stay even for the duration of the cycle. Search for cycle preloading / jumpstarting. You still have to wait long after your last shot to start your PCT though. Sustanon already has test prop in it. so it will act quicker but again since it has test e too you will have to wait for PCT again.

short esters are a way to go. those who say - you have to pin much more often with short esters ... well there is simple arithmetics here too ... first you shoot 3 times a week with prop and 2 times a week with test e. not that much more. second over the length of 10 week cycle with test e you actually shoot more times than you would with prop. On a 10 week test e cycle you shoot 23 times total. On a 6 weeks prop cycle you shoot 21 times total ... AND you get same results AND you do not waste time ... AND you are shut down for HALF the time compared to test e.

there are benefits of using test e or cyp if one runs VERY long cycles or you are on a permanent HRT. may be there are other reasons but for a average enhanced bodybuilder prop is the way to go.
though I gotta admit that prop can be a bit painful. but there are ways to get rid of the sting too.
so find prop

 

[soupeater]

i wonder what the general consensus is on the shortest effective cycle of Sustanon or Test E.... 6 weeks? 5 weeks?

thanks again for the info joh. ill be researching the frontload approach.

 

[zack!!!]

you could preload with test e. I never done it of course though apparently this is the way to go with the long esters. Preloading is easy to calculate too. If I remember correctly if you plan to shoot 250mg then the first shot you do is 500mg. This will get your blood levels to the desired amount faster and will stay even for the duration of the cycle. Search for cycle preloading / jumpstarting. You still have to wait long after your last shot to start your PCT though. Sustanon already has test prop in it. so it will act quicker but again since it has test e too you will have to wait for PCT again.

short esters are a way to go. those who say - you have to pin much more often with short esters ... well there is simple arithmetics here too ... first you shoot 3 times a week with prop and 2 times a week with test e. not that much more. second over the length of 10 week cycle with test e you actually shoot more times than you would with prop. On a 10 week test e cycle you shoot 23 times total. On a 6 weeks prop cycle you shoot 21 times total ... AND you get same results AND you do not waste time ... AND you are shut down for HALF the time compared to test e.

there are benefits of using test e or cyp if one runs VERY long cycles or you are on a permanent HRT. may be there are other reasons but for a average enhanced bodybuilder prop is the way to go.
though I gotta admit that prop can be a bit painful. but there are ways to get rid of the sting too.
so find prop

what do you do to get away sting ?

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

The only way I'm shooting ed or eod is if I'm doing a big ass cycle.

No way I'd shoot prop unless I had a serious reason to.

 

[soupeater]

hey zack, ive read slapping the area prior to wiping it with alcohol helps as does numbing it with ice for a few minutes before injecting. Also warming the oil before injecting, injecting slowly, massaging the site after, etc are all supposed to help a bit with the pain.

 

[joh]

hey zack, ive read slapping the area prior to wiping it with alcohol helps as does numbing it with ice for a few minutes before injecting. Also warming the oil before injecting, injecting slowly, massaging the site after, etc are all supposed to help a bit with the pain.

^^^ this.

and for some (and for me) I have to bake out the BA out of the vial before I shoot or I get pain AND test flu.
basically - you put the vial in the oven, put a pin in and bake it and let the BA evaporate through the pin. You need to use up the vial quickly though because since there is no BA bacteria may form there and you dont want infection.
I have to do it or otherwise I get horrible test flu next day after each shot and it is all caused by BA.
warming the oil and massaging the site works best for getting rid of the pain. I also find that if I shoot ventro glut there is almost no pain just discomfort (like 1 on the scale 1 to 10). gluts are ok for pain (4 on the scale 1 to 10), the quads are the worst (8 on the scale 1 to 10).
I consider toothache to be 15 on the scale 1 to 10
and ear ache 25 on the scale 1 to 10

the pain for me never comes during or right after the shot. it is usually 12-18 hours after that site gets sore. using good gear makes big difference too