Short Cycles vs. Long Cycles?

[SAEBigSal]

I have been doing research on shorter duration of cycles and also shorter duration between cycles. I typically run cycles for 8 to 12 weeks, then 2 to 4 weeks PCT, and 16 to 20 weeks Off Cycle between. This has always worked well for me, but the long durations of off cycle time leave me flat and it is more obvious when I get back on. I don't do big bulking cycles, but even mild cycles really blow me up after the time off. So my question is: what does everyone think about running short 4 to 6 week cycles with, 2 weeks PCT, and only 8 to 12 weeks off? I think this will reduce the side effects (gyno, acne, and test shut down) to a minimum, and also keep me from looking like I am blowing up and flatening out. (Don't want people at work and in my family noticing the constant fluctuation in size)

Thoughts?

 

[wolfman87]

i think that they definitely have their place. obviously you would need a short ester like prop, suspension, etc... combined with a decent oral and dose i think you could achieve what you're after as long as it's reasonable. if you're going to be running the same doses don't expect anything drastic... and if you decide to up the doses it would seem like the sides that you don't want would come anyway. idk it's worth a shot to see how your body reacts to a couple of them...

 

[Nelson Montana]

20 years ago, 6 weeks was considered a standard cycle. I've seen results in 2 weeks though most would say that's not possible. But they don't know what I know.

 

[Wulfgar]

done right people should be seeing and feeling results within days...not weeks

 

[cjangelo]

20 years ago, 6 weeks was considered a standard cycle. I've seen results in 2 weeks though most would say that's not possible. But they don't know what I know.

So what, short ester test, 500-700mg a week, for two weeks?
How would you schedule your AI or PCT or whatever?



I remember you talking about this before, and I thought it was interesting, especially as an AAS virgin, as a way of getting my feet wet. Or my cherry popped, if you want metaphorical continuity.

thanks

 

[Peanutz26]

Go for the short cycles. Much safer and recovery is easier. Im done with the long ones.

 

[Nelson Montana]

So what, short ester test, 500-700mg a week, for two weeks?
How would you schedule your AI or PCT or whatever?



I remember you talking about this before, and I thought it was interesting, especially as an AAS virgin, as a way of getting my feet wet. Or my cherry popped, if you want metaphorical continuity.

thanks

2 weeks is TOO short. That was Bill Roberts moronic theory based on my findings . He suggested 2 on, 2off, which would be a disaster.

A 4 week cycle is fine for a maiden voyage.

Use an oral up front as a kick start. For the millionth time, short acting esters are no faster, only shorter. Steroids DO NOT take weeks to kick in. They are active immediately.

 

[niightz]

I do 6 week cycles taking prop/npp eod, for a total of around 300mg/300mg a week. I normally gain about 10 lbs keep 6-7 after pct and off time. My pct is 4 weeks and 6 weeks off, so far I love this, but def going to add some d-bol on the next cycles.

 

[C.K.]

I've been doing 2 months on 1 month off...

 

[daveyboy2345]

starting in Nov. or Dec. I will experiment with 6-7 week cycles and hope to stick with them permanently if all goes well. Prop, dbol, winny, will take care of me just fine. I'm tired of the long recovery and long time off inbetween cycles. Not to mention the thought of making gains and training balls to the wall for 10-14 weeks consecutively is mentally and physically draining.

 

[b fold the truth]

I've had friends who use lots of short 4 week cycles through the year. 4 on, 4 off and the key for them is their diet and training to always be 100%.

 

[SAEBigSal]

Thanks guys. Sounds like I am on to something here.

 

[tama]

I'm considering a 4 week, min. dosage Prop/Winnie cycle. My friend says PCT not really necessary due to the short length. That sound right to you guys?

 

[cjangelo]

2 weeks is TOO short. That was Bill Roberts moronic theory based on my findings . He suggested 2 on, 2off, which would be a disaster.

A 4 week cycle is fine for a maiden voyage.

Use an oral up front as a kick start. For the millionth time, short acting esters are no faster, only shorter. Steroids DO NOT take weeks to kick in. They are active immediately.

I thought you'd want short acting esters so they'd clear the blood quicker. nevermind.

So what would a basic test 4 week first cycle look like? PCT?

 

[zweden]

2 weeks is TOO short. That was Bill Roberts moronic theory based on my findings . He suggested 2 on, 2off, which would be a disaster.

A 4 week cycle is fine for a maiden voyage.

Use an oral up front as a kick start. For the millionth time, short acting esters are no faster, only shorter. Steroids DO NOT take weeks to kick in. They are active immediately.

If a longer acting ester peak as fast (or faster) than a shorter acting one, the peak still has to be lower because it is more stretched out. For instance, test E takes longer before it "kicks in" than test P because it takes more shots before you reach the peak dose of the cycle. Though I agree that it is active right away after the first shot I don't think that is what people are reffering to when they say it "kicks in". Personally I do believe that I notice the effects faster from test P than a longer acting test and that's what I mean.

 

[Nelson Montana]

The difference in how fast a long ester kicks in isn't weeks, it's hours. The reason prop kicks a little more is threefold. #1: It hits within minutes. #2: The faster release des provide a higher dosage in the bloodstream on day one. #3: Prop is actually a higher concentration because the short acting ester "fits" more active molecule. So 100 mgs of prop is really more like 115 mgs of test. (Or more accurately, 100 mgs of test is really about 80 mgs and prop is closer to 90%).

But over the course of a few weeks, it all pretty much evens out. Add an extra shot of T along the way and the end result is the same.

There's no reason to clear the system faster on a short cycle. The lingering half life acts as a slight taper over a week or so. No problem with that.

 

[cjangelo]

There's no reason to clear the system faster on a short cycle. The lingering half life acts as a slight taper over a week or so. No problem with that.

Thanks for the clarification.

Good stuff.

 

[iron_matt-CB]

I'm curious about substances such as eq... Would it be beneficial to run eq for only 6 weeks???

 

[gear63]

What about a 30 day cycle of TEST P @ 100 mgs ED I bet you could get great results What you say NELSON test p for 30 days any benefits or a waste because not long enough, with diet/training at 100 percent of course.

 

[iron_matt-CB]

4 weeks of test p would be good bro

 

[Dial_tone]

you don't really HAVE to do short esters, just front-load long esters in the first week, then stop them at 3 or 4 weeks.

 

[iron_matt-CB]

you don't really HAVE to do short esters, just front-load long esters in the first week, then stop them at 3 or 4 weeks.

if i waas takin 600 weeks what would be the frontload?

 

[empirebuilder]

I'm curious about substances such as eq... Would it be beneficial to run eq for only 6 weeks???

In my experience I would say if your gonna run eq it has to be at the minimum for 12 weeks that seems to be the best for me. Anything less is a waste of time. I know some guys have had decent results with ten weeks of eq. Everyone is different but in no way would I recommend running eq for only 6 weeks.

 

[RobDubs]

BUMPING THIS THREAD.


i definitely find this idea interesting.

Nelson Montana, what do you think about running test c + dbol + a little arimidex for 4 weeks, followed by 2 more weeks of arimidex and nolva (weeks 6-8) or something along those lines?

 

[HvyGns38]

This is a very good thread. I hae been throwing around the idea of a 6 week cycle, also.

My question is . . .when does your "off" period start, after your last shot OR after PCT?

Good thread!!

 

[soupeater]

bump, looking for some sample short cycles from the vets. thanks

 

[soupeater]

any locals try out 4,6,8 weekers? there seemed to be a lot of interest in this but no follow up. please share

thanks,