Short Cycles vs. Long Cycles?

[b fold the truth]

I've had friends who use lots of short 4 week cycles through the year. 4 on, 4 off and the key for them is their diet and training to always be 100%.

 

[SAEBigSal]

Thanks guys. Sounds like I am on to something here.

 

[tama]

I'm considering a 4 week, min. dosage Prop/Winnie cycle. My friend says PCT not really necessary due to the short length. That sound right to you guys?

 

[cjangelo]

2 weeks is TOO short. That was Bill Roberts moronic theory based on my findings . He suggested 2 on, 2off, which would be a disaster.

A 4 week cycle is fine for a maiden voyage.

Use an oral up front as a kick start. For the millionth time, short acting esters are no faster, only shorter. Steroids DO NOT take weeks to kick in. They are active immediately.

I thought you'd want short acting esters so they'd clear the blood quicker. nevermind.

So what would a basic test 4 week first cycle look like? PCT?

 

[zweden]

2 weeks is TOO short. That was Bill Roberts moronic theory based on my findings . He suggested 2 on, 2off, which would be a disaster.

A 4 week cycle is fine for a maiden voyage.

Use an oral up front as a kick start. For the millionth time, short acting esters are no faster, only shorter. Steroids DO NOT take weeks to kick in. They are active immediately.

If a longer acting ester peak as fast (or faster) than a shorter acting one, the peak still has to be lower because it is more stretched out. For instance, test E takes longer before it "kicks in" than test P because it takes more shots before you reach the peak dose of the cycle. Though I agree that it is active right away after the first shot I don't think that is what people are reffering to when they say it "kicks in". Personally I do believe that I notice the effects faster from test P than a longer acting test and that's what I mean.

 

[Nelson Montana]

The difference in how fast a long ester kicks in isn't weeks, it's hours. The reason prop kicks a little more is threefold. #1: It hits within minutes. #2: The faster release des provide a higher dosage in the bloodstream on day one. #3: Prop is actually a higher concentration because the short acting ester "fits" more active molecule. So 100 mgs of prop is really more like 115 mgs of test. (Or more accurately, 100 mgs of test is really about 80 mgs and prop is closer to 90%).

But over the course of a few weeks, it all pretty much evens out. Add an extra shot of T along the way and the end result is the same.

There's no reason to clear the system faster on a short cycle. The lingering half life acts as a slight taper over a week or so. No problem with that.

 

[cjangelo]

There's no reason to clear the system faster on a short cycle. The lingering half life acts as a slight taper over a week or so. No problem with that.

Thanks for the clarification.

Good stuff.

 

[iron_matt-CB]

I'm curious about substances such as eq... Would it be beneficial to run eq for only 6 weeks???

 

[gear63]

What about a 30 day cycle of TEST P @ 100 mgs ED I bet you could get great results What you say NELSON test p for 30 days any benefits or a waste because not long enough, with diet/training at 100 percent of course.

 

[iron_matt-CB]

4 weeks of test p would be good bro