Short Cycle theory 2 on 4 off...

[NHBFighter]

Have you guys checked out the posts by RealGains on the 2 weeker. It is a good read. You should check it out. This Guy knows what's up.
NHBFighter

 

[Grainger]

shit.....you didn't write the article so there is no way you can answer the questions! I want to see a sample cycle on paper with amounts etc.

well that sucks!

 

[Ulter]

The 2 week cycle theory was laid to rest 2 years ago. Anyone who is a member of AF can look it up in the Hall of Fame under short cycle bandwagon or the fangowango cycle is dead by Animal.

I won't get into all the reasons why 2 weeks is not long enough to grow but I will point out a flaw in this authors plan for recovery. That being that you can cycle 2 weeks and that the Nandrolone will not be inhibitory in 14 days following cessession is wrong. Even nandrolone prop may present 32 days later as was observed in the Minto study. (See pic) And this study was only 100mg injected ONE time. This guy is talking about way more then that over a two week period. It's ridiculous.

But more importantly you simply will not grow enough in two weeks.

Cycle design:
Cycles are assembled by, first, determining the end response characteristics desired, and assembling components whose AAS characteristics interlock together to produce that end response with a minimum of overlap, over the cycle timespan desired. Consider this cycle: Nandrolone phenylpropionate(EOD), tren(EOD), Winstrol depot((ED), optional Anavar(ED). I've remarked, elsewhere, on the desireability of pairing tren with Winstrol. We require the use of a pure androgen for EVERY cycle, to insure strength, onging muscle definition, density, and post cycle androgenicity, so Anavar is our choice for this cycle. Here, Tren is our primary androgen, and nandrolone our primary anabolic. All of these agents are selected for their lack of water retention. All are either short acting or esterless, so that meets our requirements for site injection. And, yes, we do site inject it all. We begin by frontloading the estered injectables, up to three days before cycle day zero, and add the orals and esterless injectables at cycle day minus one. On cycle day zero, the AAS is already active, with blood levels increasing. We end the injectables and orals, suitably in advance of the end of the cycle, so that, on cycle day 15, the AAS is non-inhibitory, and HTPA recovery begins immediately. Add on 14 days further system recovery, and then a cycle can begin anew.Seven weeks, total. Over a year, this might be acccomplished seven times. When HCG, and an anti-e at suitable dosage, are added to the Clomid, the HTPA may be recovered in only 2 weeks. This shortens the next cycle availability point by one week.

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[Nelson Montana]

Yet another reworking of the "Steroids For Health" program with some good points and more mistakes than I care to address.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

NO... I did not write the article... but if you go to Anabolic Extreme and look for a post called "Initial thoughts on short cycling" by Muscletrainee... there are 127 replies to it and many questions which you may have are addressed.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Yet another reworking of the "Steroids For Health" program with some good points and more mistakes than I care to address.

Nelson, Please elaborate. I did not post this to say I was an expert. I posted it for opinions and for those more experienced to point out the flaws.

 

[Nelson Montana]

This is old nfo to a lot of guys but basically Steroids For Health was a piece written in 1997 that presented the advantages of shorter cycles (3-4 weeks) The concept was then "borrowed" and expanded upon by Bill Roberts who suggested taking the theory further and doing 2 week cycles (which didn't work nearly as well) Since then many fly-by-night gurus have argued back and forth on the issue. Whoever wrote the article you posted sounds as if he's just regurgitating that old information and adding some opinion -- much of which is off base.

Incidentally, the original SFH had some clinkers in it as well but I've since corrected and clarifed them. I've also improved on the original concept and discuss those ideas in my upcoming book...BOTTOM LINE BODYBUILDING.