Seeking advice on first cycle

[jerseyart]

I think Im ready to start a cycle but would like to get some input before I do so.

Basics. I am 36 and aproximately 250lbs at 6'5ft tall. I've only been back in the gym since approximately june and had to take it slow at first because of a bike accident injury. My body fat is somewhere around 20%. (estimated).

the cycle Im considering is the following:

200 mg of test cyp a week, 200 mg deca a week, 2 iu's of hgh a day fo 12 weeks


Any suggestions or tweaking recommended would be appreciated

 

[Dragon14]

Do you still have to take it easy because of the injury? What was the nature of the injury?

How long had you been working out before you had to stop due to injury?

 

[SuperDawgy]

I'm just going to be honest here...i think that if i were you i would work on getting my BF% down to at least 15% before thinking about a cycle. I have have a few reasons for thinking this way and if you're curious i can go into detail for you.

 

[Apexx]

what are your goals for this cycle??

 

[=Viking=]

200mgs of test is a pretty low dose. If you got replacement therapy from a Dr. that's what they would give you.

How is your blood pressure?

I know many say get the body fat down. They usually are younger and find it easy. I like to gain some mass while loosing the fat. More muscle = more energy burning. Good diet and cardio can accomplish both at the same time IMO.

 

[SuperDawgy]

200mgs of test is a pretty low dose. If you got replacement therapy from a Dr. that's what they would give you.

How is your blood pressure?

I know many say get the body fat down. They usually are younger and find it easy. I like to gain some mass while loosing the fat. More muscle = more energy burning. Good diet and cardio can accomplish both at the same time IMO.

I agree to some extent, but on average a guy that is 6'5" and 250 at 20% will probably have a naturally higher BP. If he's healthy and has safe readings then it's all good. 36 ain't old bro, should be easy to drop down to 15%, unless said injury has limited the amount of cardio he can do.

 

[Silent Method]

#1. What is the extent of your injury/recovery?
#2. Get your bodyfat down before further consideration.

 

[awittyusername]

JA,

I agree w/everyone. You should keep working out hard and get your diet in check and to get your bf down.

I am a little younger than you and it takes me over 200mgs test just to get to the upper range. (I assume you want to keep test dose low to avoid sides) I am upping my HGH to 2ius this month. (Forever) You won't get much gain from these doses over a short period. However, since you are in your 30s you could get those doses prescribe to you legally and possible paid for by your insurance as HRT. I love it. I have the knowledge of a 32 yr old and the sex drive of an 18 yr old. The HGH is for better body composition, younger looking skin, better mental functioning etc. (PM if any questions on HRT)


I know your not looking to become the next arnold. ( Your just hoping you will finally get a female)

So, you may want to look into something I'm doing. (in addition to my HRT)

250 mg cyp (8 weeks)
45 mg var (8 weeks)

 

[jerseyart]

Thanks guys

General. The injury was severe. The only thing that still hampers me somewhat is my back. Its hard to say how much. The only thing it has limited me in is I have been gingerly working in squats over the last few months (not at all the first two) and limit the weight to something I know wont over stress my back (about 220lbs now, although I know I could do substantially more) Aside from that I won't deadlift at all, but I never did before, so that isnt really an issue. Any problem is limited to the lower back.

I am curious asd to the body fat statements. Any further elaboration would be appreciated. I have avoided anything so far because I felt it would have been wasted (ie: Not being able to really go balls out to my personal max in training) That is no longer a fear and I know I wouldnt be just injecting without doing the work. At the same time if higher BF is gonna negate the benefits, then I'll wait on that as well.

Dragon: Before that I was more of an active/cardio person. No real wiehgt training to speak of since playing ball when I was younger. Almost nothing past 25. So maybe that would make it to soon as well. I was fit, but from playing lots of hoops, jogging football hiking etc

Superdawgy: I am interested. PPlease elaborate, Im very open to advice. Also, my blood pressure is fine, and actually had a check up about 2 weeks ago. I was told it was very good by the doc at the time.

Apexx: To be honest, I know so little, I have no idea what would be reasonable to anticipate. My plan was to be disciplined in diet and the gym, rest appropriately, and hope for the best. I had heard that 15lbs LBM was a reasonable expectation , coupled with some fat loss if I was disciplined in my diet? Does that sound right? I figured in three months I might be able to more or less switch 15lbs of fat for 15 lbs of LBM

Viking: How much higher would you suggest while still keeping it within safe limits?

Silent method: Thanks bor. So you agree with the body fat statements. As to the injury, info above

awittyusername: My concern is general safety first (im relatively healthy, except for the back, and dont want to do damage)But if a higher dose would still eb within the acceptable range, I am amnable to it, if the benefits are there to be reeped.

And yes, your gf is beginning to bore me, and I wouldnt mind attracting someone new

 

[=Viking=]

I agree to some extent, but on average a guy that is 6'5" and 250 at 20% will probably have a naturally higher BP. If he's healthy and has safe readings then it's all good. 36 ain't old bro, should be easy to drop down to 15%, unless said injury has limited the amount of cardio he can do.

I'm 37 and can say that 36 in atheletic terms is very old. That's why you don't see many competing at the highest levels.

 

[Dial_tone]

You need to use 4-6iu's GH for 6 months+ to see real benefits. I would use 400-500mg test per week along with an anti-e for 10-12 weeks.

 

[=Viking=]

Thanks guys


Viking: How much higher would you suggest while still keeping it within safe limits?

I would start with the 200mgs and see how you like that. Do one 10 week cycle and then take 10 weeks off.

Next round you might want to try 400mgs.

I am 37 and can say that even 200mgs will make you feel much younger.

 

[jerseyart]

Dial Tone. Are there any potential adverse effects with HGH at that doasgae over that period of time?

Same with 500 of test

 

[Silent Method]

JerseyArt, those of us suggesting you lower your body fat first are looking at the scenario from a bodybuilder's perspective. I assume you are looking to sculpt a hard, muscular physique. You're not necessarily obese, but we're suggesting you reach a more optimal fitness level (body comp alone being a fitness element in itself) in order to realize the most optimal benifits from a cycle. In addition, being more lean at the start of the cycle will allow you to better assess the side effects/results you see from the cycle.

If I were you and was to do a cycle, I'd drop the deca, hit 500 mg of test for 10 or 12 weeks, have plenty of nolva on hand, utilize a small dose of an aromatase inhibitor or 25 mg of proviron daily, and, if I could afford it, do the hGH closer to what was advised by those above.

500 mg of test is tolerated well by most, but gyno is a possibility. Accelerated hair loss will probably be seen during the cycle if you are prone. 25 mg of proviron/day should be all you need as gyno insurance and has an added benifit of keeping more testosterone unbound and heling you grow. However, it may also accelerate hair loss. A mild dose of an anti-aromatase like anastrozole may be substituted. Nolva is taken if gyno symtoms actually apear (and is also a good addition to post cycle therapies using hcg).

 

[Dial_tone]

Dial Tone. Are there any potential adverse effects with HGH at that doasgae over that period of time?

Same with 500 of test

no, 4iu is the low end. Do that M-F then skip weekends just to make it last longer. There are studies that show side effects from test don't increase much at all from 300mg/week to 600mg per week

 

[strongsmartsexy]

no, 4iu is the low end. Do that M-F then skip weekends just to make it last longer. There are studies that show side effects from test don't increase much at all from 300mg/week to 600mg per week

I agree with Dial_Tone. Gee, somehow that shouldn't be surprising.

The studies I've seen show that there isn't any significant difference in side effects whether you're taking 100mg/wk or 600mg/wk.

 

[Moderate_THIS]

JerseyArt, those of us suggesting you lower your body fat first are looking at the scenario from a bodybuilder's perspective. I assume you are looking to sculpt a hard, muscular physique. You're not necessarily obese, but we're suggesting you reach a more optimal fitness level (body comp alone being a fitness element in itself) in order to realize the most optimal benifits from a cycle. In addition, being more lean at the start of the cycle will allow you to better assess the side effects/results you see from the cycle.

Well said. Usually body comp is indicative of your training and dietary habits... much experience in both is optimal for properly using AAS and keeping the improvements made on it.

 

[solidspine]

Add anti-E's and pct, up the test and the deca

 

[Dial_tone]

Most people use cycles as an excuse to eat everything that doesn't move out of the way. If you're going to eat alot of clean food it isn't necessary to cut down first. If you're over 20% then steroids aren't your problem.

 

[CENTURION44]

I agree but if your eating clean while cycling..and adding only lean mass...his BF% can only go down...if you do it right...wiht lots of cardio

 

[Werd]

My knowledge of anabolics and other performance enhancing chemicals is very limited, especially when it comes to men. However, because I know you personally Jersey one thing I CAN say with 100% certainty:

YOU DONT EAT ENOUGH TO REAP ANY REAL BENEFIT AND WILL BE THROWING YOUR MONEY OUT THE WINDOW SEARCHING FOR A "QUICK" FIX.

I'd like to see you with a few more months of better caloric intake and training and more research on these substances before you dive in.

I love you and dont want to see you waste your money and get caught up in something that you may not be prepared to deal with. GH is the shit, but as I stated - you dont eat - you wont grow. PERIOD


We'll talk baby.