Zambons kick in by the4 3rd or 4th shot. And by the way, when it comes to Winny, there is no Second best. Zambons rule and 5 bucks a piece is an awesome price. You won't get your hands on anything even close to as Zambon for that price. Go for it dude. I've tried lots of different kinds of Winny, and nothing kicks in like Zambon. Just my 2 cents. Good luck with the cycle