Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Chesty, liberals don't take FACTS into account when arguing. This maniac killed almost as many as columbine, and injured just as many in a country that has a ban on guns. And if you figure he acted alone vs. Columbine that had to murderers going he did more damage. People are ignorant to the truth, almost everyone I know carries a knife, no one I know carries a gun, it is illegal without a permit. I am sure level headed people like criminals choose not to carry guns because they too have not permit, Yeah right...
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plifter
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A man with a knife that is 21 feet away can kill me if I have a gun pointed at his chest. Dude you've seen too many Bruce Lee movies.
Wfabrizio
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You're right Chesty, I just looked at some statistics and death from gun accidents is lower than homicide and gun related homicides have dropped considerably.
Anyways, that guy in CA is a bad example. He was shooting from across the street and who knows how well he was able to acquire his targets.
My point is, if a lunatic has a firearm he/she can certainly inflict more damage than with only a knife or other weapon. There's no arguing that point. Especially with a shotgun.
Anyways, I live in a state that has concealed weapons privileges but my point is that training, education regarding gun laws, and very thorough background checks should be mandatory for every firearm owner.
I've seen so called "experienced" firearms owners at shooting ranges do some of the stupidest things. Also, if I understand it correctly, concealed weapons permit holders have more personal information recorded on them then plain gun owners.
Some people just simply should not own firearms and you know I'm right.
Anyways, that guy in CA is a bad example. He was shooting from across the street and who knows how well he was able to acquire his targets.
My point is, if a lunatic has a firearm he/she can certainly inflict more damage than with only a knife or other weapon. There's no arguing that point. Especially with a shotgun.
Anyways, I live in a state that has concealed weapons privileges but my point is that training, education regarding gun laws, and very thorough background checks should be mandatory for every firearm owner.
I've seen so called "experienced" firearms owners at shooting ranges do some of the stupidest things. Also, if I understand it correctly, concealed weapons permit holders have more personal information recorded on them then plain gun owners.
Some people just simply should not own firearms and you know I'm right.
Your right, some should not own guns, I do not debate that period. Yes, people have the potential using a gun to cause great damage, but again, look at the shootings that do occur. Hundreds of rounds fired and only a few hits. I know of one instance where over 80 rounds were fire and one man was hit in the leg that is a 1.25% hit ratio. There are other times where entire clips have been emptied reloaded and emptied again and know one hit and the gunfight took place at a distance of 3 feet.
Plifter. If you have a gun pointed at my chest of course I cannot win, unless your a really bad shot. What I am telling you is fact, that if you are attacked from 21 feet by a person with a knife and you have to draw your gun (your being attaked not attacking so your gun would not be drawn) your chances of surviving the attack are at best 50/50. Don't bother arguing this as you do not have any idea what you are talking about. I have taught in the academy how to defend against knife attacks, have taught people how to survive a confrontation when attacked (deputies in the academy) I garauntee you that you would not win a knife fight even if you had a gun, unless you were planning on killing the individual already (before he pulled the knife on you) Especially if you were at 6 feet from me you would be dead period gun or no gun drawn or not drawn, and Bruce Lee has nothing to do with it.
Plifter. If you have a gun pointed at my chest of course I cannot win, unless your a really bad shot. What I am telling you is fact, that if you are attacked from 21 feet by a person with a knife and you have to draw your gun (your being attaked not attacking so your gun would not be drawn) your chances of surviving the attack are at best 50/50. Don't bother arguing this as you do not have any idea what you are talking about. I have taught in the academy how to defend against knife attacks, have taught people how to survive a confrontation when attacked (deputies in the academy) I garauntee you that you would not win a knife fight even if you had a gun, unless you were planning on killing the individual already (before he pulled the knife on you) Especially if you were at 6 feet from me you would be dead period gun or no gun drawn or not drawn, and Bruce Lee has nothing to do with it.
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plifter
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I thought the point was in this story the person with the knife attacked first. If you switched the situation to a man with a gun who attacks first the guy with the gun is capable of more damage. Plus it takes a lot of work or a well placed cut to kill someone with a knife. You also have to get within arms length of your victim. It's a lot harder to run from a gun as bullets tend to travel 2000 feet per second or more.
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HappyScrappy
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I've heard that in a closed space, you want to get the fuck out of there. don't try to disarm him, just get our of arms reach. arms rach with a gun goes from 3 or 4 feet to about 100yards and walls and chairs and tables don't count for much.
I'm not a big fan of guns, but Warik had a point that if there were adults with weapons there (security guards), then perhaps they could have gotten the guy faster...
oh well. either way, people will continue to kill each other in some way or another.
I'm not a big fan of guns, but Warik had a point that if there were adults with weapons there (security guards), then perhaps they could have gotten the guy faster...
oh well. either way, people will continue to kill each other in some way or another.
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RyanH
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Wfabrizio said:
Wfabrizio offers the most sensible approach.........
Do any of you find it likely that a knife can, on a broad scale can cause as much harm, as guns do? How often do you hear of Columbines caused by knives? While this recent incident is unfortunate, it is more of a rarity. Of course, people are killed by knives, but its much harder to create a "massacre" with a knife than it is with a gun. While knives are, in fact, a problem, the real danger lies with THE BANG BANG KILLER-----GUNS!!!
We also have about 50 times the population. You cannot run from a knife attack, ask anyone who has been attacked by a perosn with a knife.
RyanH, knife attacks happne everyday in school, it is just not reported as often because they are not seen as inherently evil and people in general do not understand the potential of the knife.
Also, I asked to keep the emotional comments out. It is not the bang bang of the gun that kills. It is the person wielding the weapon.
The point of this is that it is not the weapon of choice but the person using it. There is a general problem that is occuring and it has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with people.
In Japan, nerve gas was used. How long before we have that happen here?
Does no one see the real problem here?
RyanH, knife attacks happne everyday in school, it is just not reported as often because they are not seen as inherently evil and people in general do not understand the potential of the knife.
Also, I asked to keep the emotional comments out. It is not the bang bang of the gun that kills. It is the person wielding the weapon.
The point of this is that it is not the weapon of choice but the person using it. There is a general problem that is occuring and it has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with people.
In Japan, nerve gas was used. How long before we have that happen here?
Does no one see the real problem here?
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