saw a fat powerlifter........

[lockdownd7]

A certain window of BF % is more conducive to strength expression for a variety of reasons. Hormonal state isn't going to be optimal for most people at a super-ripped 6% or whatever. Also there is a certain amount of leverage advantage to be gained from fat in certain areas. That being said, many of the lean PLer's are that way because they compete in a weight class and are therefore going to be on top of their diet a little more. They'll let their weight go up some during training (for the aforementioned reasons) but not too much. As far as the heavyweights, (i.e. Mendelson, etc.) many of them use AAS which is obviously going to help them maintain a ripped look. I'd say it's pretty rare to see a clean, ripped, heavyweight PLer.

 

[azul]

calorie deficit = weak as fuck. Sorta goes against the goals of a power lifter.

And to answer nbafans question, yes you can still be ripped if you train like a powerlifter, and keep your body fat low. But if your goal is to look ripped, and you don't care about strength or function then training like a bodybuilder will get you there a little faster.

I disagree. Strength=muscle. Top bodybuilders are also strong as hell. And strength is built using compound movements and a bit of isolation work.

You can either go deadlift for 5 minutes or you can spend 15 minutes training your hamstrings, your lower back, your abs, your back and your arms and still only achieve half of what you achieved doing deadlifts.

 

[ExtraMile]

What i meant to ask is if powerlifting can still give you "ripped" muscles or if you have to do a bodybuilding workout for that? I have heard that doing low reps and heavy weight like a power lifter gives you muscle mass but no definition and that you need to do between 10-12 reps to be more ripped. Is that a myth? Can a powerlifter still be ripped if he maitains his body fat around 10% or does he need to do on isolation exercises like a bodybuilder?

Muscles look "ripped" because of low BF.

If one of the top powerlifters manages to loose BF and cut down he would look something like this YouTube - Kirk Karwoski

Look at this guy, he doesnt have aload of BF like andy bolton for instance and he is huge, he is strong as fuck too YouTube - Konstantinovs 400kg(883lb) 2 reps hang deadlift

Zydrunas Zavickas has 23.5inch biceps, imagine what he would look like with 10% bf and he only does strongman/powerlifting work.

So I would say if you started out pretty low BF and just did heavy compound lifts you would put on plenty mass, when your happy just drop the calories some and do some more cardio and there you go.

Btw, Iv been lifting 6 months now, I mainly do heavy compound work with a few moderate weight (8-10 reps) exercises added in. Im 14 years old, 5 foot 7 182lbs and around 18% bf i think...

 

[artificialaspirations]

Its genetics, diet and activity level that give you that ripped look. Imagine how many miles TO runs in a game or practice in addition to the weights and conditioning.

This is a good thread. I enjoyed the Mark Rippetoe quote. I want a 6-pack and have been trying for one for over 12 yrs (not continuously). I go crazy dieting and hate when my lifts suffer as a result. I am much happier fueling my body and progressing in the gym than waiting for the 6-pack that may or may not show up. I have tried all the burners and hate the paranoid, cranked up feeling I get on stims. Its time to keep diet in control and keep training for strength.

I store all my fat in my belly and love handles. I am lean everywhere else, just can't get the thin skin around the mid-section.

 

[Sub-Zero]

my theory is that it takes alot more drugs to reach a mass level necessary to lift those "huge numbers" at a lean bodyfat.

if you arnt on shittons of mass building drugs, you just eat your ass off and add weight, and strength...and to stay cut at those mass levels is not very feasable without lots of AAS.


also, why is TIMTIM banned???

 

[dabuffguy]

also, why is TIMTIM banned???

He got a time-out bro. Send a mod a PM next time for questions like these. They don't belong on the open forum.

 

[SaiBoT]

I disagree. Strength=muscle. Top bodybuilders are also strong as hell. And strength is built using compound movements and a bit of isolation work.

You can either go deadlift for 5 minutes or you can spend 15 minutes training your hamstrings, your lower back, your abs, your back and your arms and still only achieve half of what you achieved doing deadlifts.

I don't think you understood very well what Jocques said, he said that being on a caloric deficit makes you weaker, not that bodybuilders are weak.

For the NBAfan, yes you can get ripped muscle with powerlifting type of training just make the adjustments with cardio and diet. Check the diet forum also.

 

[SwitchMan]

Mariusz Pudzianowski is ripped and ridiculously strong and he's got to be 0ver 300lbs easy. In his hey day he had to have a enough juice in him to kill an elephant.

 

[needtogetaas]

I saw a skinny kid in my squat rack doing curls. In fact a see the same type of bitch almost daily. Some times I wish things would revert back to primitive times. Then this little debate would be over. lolololol