saw a fat powerlifter........

[timtim]

this is a discussion. lets kepp the smartass remarks and comparisons between a bber and powerlifter out of this one and just discuss the topic.

saw a fat powerlifter squat 7 plates today for 5. ass was down too. impressive.

could he do that 40 pounds lighter? if so, beastly. now, looks like a huge fat guy.

i dont understand this about some of these guys. not to have a bbers' look - im not insinuating that is either ideal or desired. health wise. dude is way overweight. is it necessary? im looking for an actual answer. does the increased size add tremendous weight increases on the lifts? if so, i understand the reasoning. if not, i could compare the obesity factor with the drug factor of a bber. both are terrible for you if done recklessly.

 

[ExtraMile]

My understanding was the extra fat means there is more water to lubricate the joints and protect from heavy lifting, other than that you dont have to be slim to be a powerlifter and so alot of guys just dont bother with the hard work, Im sure there are other reasons to do with the extra weight on them helping them but I dont actually know what it is...

 

[dabuffguy]

I don;t find any reason to be overly fat. I can understand having a higher BF, and you don't need to be ripped like a BB, but being WAY fat and claiming you are fat because you are a powerlifter is just funny to me.

 

[Big_BK]

Agree, there is a point where the extra fat does not help and just causes health implications IMO due to lazy dieting.

 

[moya]

i am a powerlifter and compete in the DL @148... not all PL's are fat... imo the smaller PL's are stronger pound for pound... but im not totally ripped to shreds either, as we all know a bb'er cutting is at his weakest...
honestly i want someone to size me up one day and then get tossed through a wall...

 

[SouthernLord]

He uses his fat gut to push off of his fat thighs when he's in the hole? It's all about the leverage....

There are some seriously jacked 220-275 powerlfiters I would kill to resemble. These guys stay in the 10% bf range and could diet down and own at local yokel BB shows. You are right though. A lot of the 308s and up let themselves go. It's a shame, but they don't care so why should I.

 

[SouthernLord]

Mark Bartley comes to mind here Tim.....

He turned himself around. Probably saved his life too..

Spud Speaks by Marc Bartley July 08

 

[SouthernLord]

Dave Tate lost some fat fat too.... Look at those fucking quads

 

[timtim]

Mark Bartley comes to mind here Tim.....

He turned himself around. Probably saved his life too..

Spud Speaks by Marc Bartley July 08

thats what im looking for. i would figure pound for pound, a "leaner" frame would mean more weight lifted total. i just look at the obesity factor. then you see the monsters in strong man and they are lean.

 

[bblazer]

If you look at the elite PLers like Ed Coan or Kirk Karwoski you will see that they are pretty lean guys. Even the bench specialist (sorry hes not a PLer, her's a specialist. PLers do 3 lifts) Scott Mendelson is sub 15% bf. To add another group, lets add the competing strongmen. They too are pretty lean.

All that said, there are a lot of overweight PLers. I think because the workouts contain very little sustained cardio, but at the same time we need to eat everything that isn't nailed down to keep our mass. This obviously makes it very easy to start carrying a lot of fat.

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[SouthernLord]

If you look at the elite PLers like Ed Coan or Kirk Karwoski you will see that they are pretty lean guys. Even the bench specialist (sorry hes not a PLer, her's a specialist. PLers do 3 lifts) Scott Mendelson is sub 15% bf. To add another group, lets add the competing strongmen. They too are pretty lean.

All that said, there are a lot of overweight PLers. I think because the workouts contain very little sustained cardio, but at the same time we need to eat everything that isn't nailed down to keep our mass. This obviously makes it very easy to start carrying a lot of fat.

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Yeah I had a good bro who lived on Dr Pepper and Taco bell who totaled ~2300 at 220. His total might actually still be in the top 20. He would run Tren E six months at a time though and he stayed in the 10-12% bf range. Good genetics and drugs do help.

 

[timtim]

i could see staying leaner as an advantage. dude today moved good weight but looked like a heart attack walking.

 

[joe d]

i wouldnt call it a lazy diet. i would say they are focused on their only goal to lift more weight.
cardio and cutting will only get in the way of that so why do it. i dont think many of them worry about fat at all. even the guys that are lean i would guess its just because of their body types. i would also bet that most of the big fat guys diets are strict to their goals and hard to atain but that they are endomorphs which puts them in the public lard ass catagory any way.

i am 5'5'' 261 lbs at 21% bf, i eat 7500 cals per day. over 750g protein ed. a lot would say im a lazy dieter but in reality i fucking hate eating 10 meals per day sleaping at 2 different times so i can get a couple meals in between sleap but i bet my diet is less lazy that 80% of the guys who stay at 10% bf. its all about the goals.

 

[NBAfan#21]

I have a question: is it possible to do a strenght training program like power lifters (Madcow 5x5 is an example) and get bigger muscles but still defined? Or does powerlifting always results in a big muscle mass but without any definition?

Here's the cliche picture that comes in my mind when i think of powerlifting training: http://bearmythology.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/dominic-filiou-09.jpg

And i wondered if its possible to look more like this following the same kind of training:
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/magazine/09/29/owens0724/t1_owens.jpg

 

[azul]

I have a question: is it possible to do a strenght training program like power lifters (Madcow 5x5 is an example) and get bigger muscles but still defined? Or does powerlifting always results in a big muscle mass but without any definition?

Here's the cliche picture that comes in my mind when i think of powerlifting training: http://bearmythology.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/dominic-filiou-09.jpg

And i wondered if its possible to look more like this following the same kind of training:
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/magazine/09/29/owens0724/t1_owens.jpg

Your muscles can get bigger, smaller, or stay the same size. You cannot grow different types of muscles by training differently.

Those two people you posted... they may very well have similar body types. The only difference is that the powerlifter has 80 more pounds of fat on him and the athlete has very little because he's far more active.

 

[bblazer]

All this talk actually reminded me of one of Rippetoe's more famous quotes. He is a little harsh, and please understand that I don't post them to offend anyone - they just, in their own way, seem germain.

"The bulk/cut approach holds that you can either add muscle or lose bodyfat, and that all training should be concerned with one or the other. This assumes that aesthetics is the criterion by which progress is measured, that pictures therefore tell the story, and that picture magazines can be the arbiters of success. This type of thinking completely ignores the performance aspects of training, and performance is much more easily and rapidly influenced. Rapid, quantifiable progress keeps motivation high, much higher than waiting for a six-pack that may or may not show up."

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[1500]

Most of the strong men comp guys are fucking huge ripped beats nowadays. i remember when a majority were fat asses.

 

[NBAfan#21]

Your muscles can get bigger, smaller, or stay the same size. You cannot grow different types of muscles by training differently.

Those two people you posted... they may very well have similar body types. The only difference is that the powerlifter has 80 more pounds of fat on him and the athlete has very little because he's far more active.

What i meant to ask is if powerlifting can still give you "ripped" muscles or if you have to do a bodybuilding workout for that? I have heard that doing low reps and heavy weight like a power lifter gives you muscle mass but no definition and that you need to do between 10-12 reps to be more ripped. Is that a myth? Can a powerlifter still be ripped if he maitains his body fat around 10% or does he need to do on isolation exercises like a bodybuilder?

 

[NBAfan#21]

All this talk actually reminded me of one of Rippetoe's more famous quotes. He is a little harsh, and please understand that I don't post them to offend anyone - they just, in their own way, seem germain.

"The bulk/cut approach holds that you can either add muscle or lose bodyfat, and that all training should be concerned with one or the other. This assumes that aesthetics is the criterion by which progress is measured, that pictures therefore tell the story, and that picture magazines can be the arbiters of success. This type of thinking completely ignores the performance aspects of training, and performance is much more easily and rapidly influenced. Rapid, quantifiable progress keeps motivation high, much higher than waiting for a six-pack that may or may not show up."

B-

I love that quote Blazer. It's a good inspiration and argument for guyz like me who can't chose between bodybuilding and powerlifting training.

 

[Jocques Straap]

calorie deficit = weak as fuck. Sorta goes against the goals of a power lifter.

And to answer nbafans question, yes you can still be ripped if you train like a powerlifter, and keep your body fat low. But if your goal is to look ripped, and you don't care about strength or function then training like a bodybuilder will get you there a little faster.

 

[lockdownd7]

A certain window of BF % is more conducive to strength expression for a variety of reasons. Hormonal state isn't going to be optimal for most people at a super-ripped 6% or whatever. Also there is a certain amount of leverage advantage to be gained from fat in certain areas. That being said, many of the lean PLer's are that way because they compete in a weight class and are therefore going to be on top of their diet a little more. They'll let their weight go up some during training (for the aforementioned reasons) but not too much. As far as the heavyweights, (i.e. Mendelson, etc.) many of them use AAS which is obviously going to help them maintain a ripped look. I'd say it's pretty rare to see a clean, ripped, heavyweight PLer.

 

[azul]

calorie deficit = weak as fuck. Sorta goes against the goals of a power lifter.

And to answer nbafans question, yes you can still be ripped if you train like a powerlifter, and keep your body fat low. But if your goal is to look ripped, and you don't care about strength or function then training like a bodybuilder will get you there a little faster.

I disagree. Strength=muscle. Top bodybuilders are also strong as hell. And strength is built using compound movements and a bit of isolation work.

You can either go deadlift for 5 minutes or you can spend 15 minutes training your hamstrings, your lower back, your abs, your back and your arms and still only achieve half of what you achieved doing deadlifts.

 

[ExtraMile]

What i meant to ask is if powerlifting can still give you "ripped" muscles or if you have to do a bodybuilding workout for that? I have heard that doing low reps and heavy weight like a power lifter gives you muscle mass but no definition and that you need to do between 10-12 reps to be more ripped. Is that a myth? Can a powerlifter still be ripped if he maitains his body fat around 10% or does he need to do on isolation exercises like a bodybuilder?

Muscles look "ripped" because of low BF.

If one of the top powerlifters manages to loose BF and cut down he would look something like this YouTube - Kirk Karwoski

Look at this guy, he doesnt have aload of BF like andy bolton for instance and he is huge, he is strong as fuck too YouTube - Konstantinovs 400kg(883lb) 2 reps hang deadlift

Zydrunas Zavickas has 23.5inch biceps, imagine what he would look like with 10% bf and he only does strongman/powerlifting work.

So I would say if you started out pretty low BF and just did heavy compound lifts you would put on plenty mass, when your happy just drop the calories some and do some more cardio and there you go.

Btw, Iv been lifting 6 months now, I mainly do heavy compound work with a few moderate weight (8-10 reps) exercises added in. Im 14 years old, 5 foot 7 182lbs and around 18% bf i think...

 

[artificialaspirations]

Its genetics, diet and activity level that give you that ripped look. Imagine how many miles TO runs in a game or practice in addition to the weights and conditioning.

This is a good thread. I enjoyed the Mark Rippetoe quote. I want a 6-pack and have been trying for one for over 12 yrs (not continuously). I go crazy dieting and hate when my lifts suffer as a result. I am much happier fueling my body and progressing in the gym than waiting for the 6-pack that may or may not show up. I have tried all the burners and hate the paranoid, cranked up feeling I get on stims. Its time to keep diet in control and keep training for strength.

I store all my fat in my belly and love handles. I am lean everywhere else, just can't get the thin skin around the mid-section.

 

[Sub-Zero]

my theory is that it takes alot more drugs to reach a mass level necessary to lift those "huge numbers" at a lean bodyfat.

if you arnt on shittons of mass building drugs, you just eat your ass off and add weight, and strength...and to stay cut at those mass levels is not very feasable without lots of AAS.


also, why is TIMTIM banned???

 

[dabuffguy]

also, why is TIMTIM banned???

He got a time-out bro. Send a mod a PM next time for questions like these. They don't belong on the open forum.

 

[SaiBoT]

I disagree. Strength=muscle. Top bodybuilders are also strong as hell. And strength is built using compound movements and a bit of isolation work.

You can either go deadlift for 5 minutes or you can spend 15 minutes training your hamstrings, your lower back, your abs, your back and your arms and still only achieve half of what you achieved doing deadlifts.

I don't think you understood very well what Jocques said, he said that being on a caloric deficit makes you weaker, not that bodybuilders are weak.

For the NBAfan, yes you can get ripped muscle with powerlifting type of training just make the adjustments with cardio and diet. Check the diet forum also.

 

[SwitchMan]

Mariusz Pudzianowski is ripped and ridiculously strong and he's got to be 0ver 300lbs easy. In his hey day he had to have a enough juice in him to kill an elephant.

 

[needtogetaas]

I saw a skinny kid in my squat rack doing curls. In fact a see the same type of bitch almost daily. Some times I wish things would revert back to primitive times. Then this little debate would be over. lolololol