SARM s4 pct

[jacshelb]

This won't be a complete/scientific breakdown of what's happening in my body as I'm not getting blood work. But, I want to share the process and how it's working for me using s4 during my pct.

My cycle was 8 weeks of prop (350 per week), tren (300 per week), a little bit of p-plex or m-drol thrown in at the beginning and end. Also did humalog at 6-8iu preworkout with dextrose, creatine, bcaas, eaas. I got my body weight up to 240 lbs this time around and didn't go over 15% bf. I was happy with the results.

I cut out the tren after week 6, and tapered off the test slowly while taking 1 m-drol each morning. Now I am on week 10 (i.e. last shot was 3 weeks ago give or take and last 10 mg of m-drol was 2 weeks ago. I am using about 6 iu of humalog with my preworkout shake still and my diet is about 300 grams of carbs, 80-100 grams of fat, and 250+- grams of protein per day.

I am on:

50mg of clomid/day (which will drop next week)
50 mg of SARMS s4/day (for the next 4-5weeks)
150-200 mg of DHEA/day
Letrozole as needed (small doses .25 mg - 1 mg)

I have lost 8 lbs of water weight (it dropped suddenly as the test cleared my system, you guys know how that is I'm sure). But, my strength is still going up! I don't really understand this. As far as pure strength/power goes it's like I never came off the test/tren! But, endurance is another matter. I'm fatigued by the last third of my already short workouts (never more than 45 min.). Still, I'm happy with where I'm at. I weigh 230 lbs give or take and am at my strongest.

I'm not going to try to push the strength forever, and will be doing a fat loss regimine soon.

 

[wolfman87]

not exactly the kind(s) of pct we see everyday! i'm interested to see how it goes for you. i'd rather it be you than me tho lol! anyway about the strength; i too notice that it keeps going up for a while and then the weights slowly start to get heavier and it takes more to get the same weight up. i always end up dropping the weight just a little to get my reps in.

keep us updated broski! i wanna hear the good and the bad!

 

[jacshelb]

Will do. I know it's a bit weird for pct. But, I like to experiment and try what I find that works and sometimes learn the hard way. Yeah, I don't think the strength will go up forever, I'm just going to try and keep it going a few more weeks then strip some fat off.

 

[SuperStrong]

Do you have any info on Sarms S4 in regards to using it for PCT? It won't interfere with HPTA recovery?

 

[steelmass]

I did 100mg ED for 4 weeks PCT and then IGF-1 for 4 more weeks.. perfect bridge imo.. now im off both fully recovered and never had to experience the PCT blues

To me 100mg ED was like being on var, 200mg was more like dbol

 

[jacshelb]

I did 100mg ED for 4 weeks PCT and then IGF-1 for 4 more weeks.. perfect bridge imo.. now im off both fully recovered and never had to experience the PCT blues

To me 100mg ED was like being on var, 200mg was more like dbol

Thanks for that! I kind of wondered what a higher dose might be like pct. I'm just trying to eek by and save as many gains as possible. So, I'm keeping it at 50mg for now.


Superstrong,

I've heard that it is suppressive at high doses (200-300 mg per day). It is specifically designed not to interfere with anything other than muscle tissue, but of course, that's not how it works in the real world. I'm guessing even at 50 mg per day it is "slightly" suppressive. But, that's ok, it's like my taper I guess. I seem to be having a normal recovery, but keeping more gains. Also, I'm not experiencing fat rebound (so maybe not so normal recovery period!). So far I'm happy using it this way, though in all truth it is not coming "completely off" and not quite staying on. It's my compromise and I can live with it!

I can say this: Sometimes in the past I have not given myself enough time between cycles and as a result I don't see the full benefits of the next cycle. i.e. not enough time to recover, clear receptors, who knows. But, I used s4 right before this last cycle for 6 weeks and then went on to gain as well as I ever have while on cycle. So, it didn't seem to interfere in that way, with gains at least!

 

[jacshelb]

Quick update:

My weight is now down to 225 in the morning, 230 at night. I believe I've lost some fat as I've cut out a lot of excess junk. My strength is still good. But, I think I'll give my body a chance to recover now and back off the strength challenges- you know, the ego driven shit we do to see what we can pull off. I did chins today with a neutral grip and strapped 90 lbs around my waist for 6 full reps and a partial. I've definitely met my strength goals and now it's time to heal up (knee has been bothering me, left shoulder starting to ache etc.).

My libido has dipped down noticeably, but not horribly. I'm actually glad as it keeps me out of trouble for the moment if you know what I mean. Balls are coming back up in size, energy is fine throughout the day, and muscles still look full- just not tren/test "full"!!

 

[jacshelb]

Well, here's the final post to my little s4 pct log. I'm still using 50 mg per day with 2 days off per week. My sex drive and energy are in the "normal" range for me- as in normal, not on cycle! Using the bf calipers my "boys" are back up to full size. All in all I'd say a successful pct.

I mentioned above that I got my bodyweight up to 240 lbs at 15% bf. Now, that was admittedly at night weight, in the morning it was more like 234-235 lbs- still highest ever for me. I got on the medical scales at the gym this morning and weighed 225 lbs in shorts and wife beater. I tested my bf with calipers (same ones/method as always) and it read 15.4%- again hasn't budged much. I've lost right at 10 lbs of bodyweight (can we say water?) and have maintained size and strength- just not so much endurance in the gym now. Tren is amazing for agressive workouts and I do miss that. But, the sleep is better without the tren at the moment! lol.

If I have anything to say about it, I won't do pct without sarms again. I've never kept this much weight post cycle and never gained strength post cycle! I maxed out on all my major lifts last week. For example (and don't laugh, I'm a lanky puss when it comes to bench press) on decline bench press I was trying to do 255 and only got 3-4 reps before failure several weeks into my cycle. This past Thurs. (four weeks post cycle)I did 315 for 3 very clean reps. I worked up to doing a set of 6 reps on chins with 90 lbs around my waist. I arm rows for 8-10 with 150 lb dumbells (from floor to waist). Squats with more weight than I've handled before (nope, I won't admit my squat numbers, lol! Let's just say they're not much more than my bench...).

Anyway, like I say, I consider it a success and will use them again. For whatever that's worth. Oh, and as far as s4 goes I'd say watch out for a certain feline research chemical site that's trying to sell them for 3 times the normal price. Doesn't sound like a good bargain to me.

 

[RADAR]

That Is good To hear,Research has shown that adding Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators will give you an adverage gain of 2-3 lbs every 4-6 days,sounds like your PCT was 100% successful---Congrats!

And Members beware of cheap counterfeits they are out there!
RADAR

 

[jacshelb]

...Research has shown that adding Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators will give you an adverage gain of 2-3 lbs every 4-6 days...
RADAR

Do you mean every 4-6 weeks? I've still been eating well, and though I haven't put on much fat at all (thank God!_) I haven't exactly gained 10-13 lbs of muscle by any means. I will say that I do look damn good for post cycle though!! So far I'd say I've retained about 85% of my gains. I'm really tempted to do one more short cycle before starting my diet... I'd have 4 months to diet if I did a little 4 weeker during Nov. Hmmmmm...

 

[RADAR]

I was in a hurry when i typed that ,oops! yes thats it.


RADAR

 

[jacshelb]

I'd fully agree with the 2-3 lbs every 4-6 weeks thing. When I did this as a stand-alone well after pct last time I would say that I gained about 3 lbs of muscle, legitimate and dry gains, very sustainable. Good stuff.

 

[truckdaddy]

U did 4 weeks of anavar and then did four weeks of sarms s-4.......best i have ever looked in my life....amazing.

I love sarms...better than var IMO and zero shutdown.

 

[jacshelb]

update

If I recall correctly I started my pct around Sept. 9th or so. So, it has been 7 weeks give or take since having a shot or a pill of aas. No longer taking the humalog either- please not questions on that as it's no longer allowed and I wish to respect that. No effect in bodyweight was observed when I stopped mid pct.

So now, 7 weeks after end of cycle, only using sarm s4 at this point in small dose (50 mg per day-actually slightly less most days-, 5 days per week) my bodyweight is the same as after initial water drop after cycle. I weigh around 225 in the morning and 230 lbs. at night. Bodyfat has gone up 1.5%, if that, according to calipers.

It's crazy because people are still approaching me same as when I'm "on", asking me if I'm "bulking up." I'm eating maintenance levels or a bit over as far as food goes- and nothing special, i.e. some junk thrown in.

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/452/mmhat2.jpg

The pic on the left is at the height of my bulking cycle. I had gone from 205 (morning)210 lbs (night) to weighing 235/240 lbs at my peak. The pic on the right is two days ago after the same type of workout the first pic was taken weighing 229 lbs mid day when pic was taken. It's in less flattering lighting, but you can tell I haven't lost a great deal of size, in fact my tricep actually looks bigger on my left arm and I believe my mid-lower pecs have a bit more thickness, though my shoulders aren't as rounded. Other than that, I basically look the same, sans the water weight/bloat/pump of the aas.

I've never, ever kept anything like this amount of gains post cycle. And, I want to say that my recovery has "felt" the same as ever. My balls are at least full sized, my sex drive is up, and everything seems "normal" by my standards. Of course, as I stated in my first post of this thread, it isn't very scientific, but just my experiences, no blood work, just surface observations.

 

[jacshelb]

I'm just bumping this for anyone who might have missed it. Not trying to brag or promote, simply celebrate

 

[truckdaddy]

I'm just bumping this for anyone who might have missed it. Not trying to brag or promote, simply celebrate

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