Rippetoe on chest exercises

[silver_shadow]

then again, u're the amateur..

+1 and it's showing.

 

[djeclipse]

You are making my argument for me. If you want to work the chest, the fly is a very effective exercise. I did not say you don't use the bench either. Both are a perfect combo. To say you don't do flyes because you can't lift as much is idiotic.

Go back and read what PoweredUp told you a few posts back. Don't be so ignorant, stop reading those BS muscle mags that are simply there to try and sell you worthless supplements that you don't need. And most of all don't listen to the ignorant guys at your gym that tell you you have to hit the chest, bies, tries form "different angles" becasue they are moron's.

The idea that the incline works the "top" of the chest is actually a fallacy. The chest is one large muscle, and you can not isolate one part of it form another during an exercise.

When you do an incline press, all you are really doing is putting yourself in a position that forces you to drop the amount of weight that you can lift. The incline can be used in place of the overhead press to hit the shoulders (notice in the 5x5 that on Wednesday you have the option between the incline or military), but for the chest the flat bench is the optimal position.

Read the above 5 times and then go to here and really read what Madcow is saying. Lifting core movements, adding weight to the bar every week is the best way to gain strength and grow.

http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/index.htm

 

[PoweredUp]

Go back and read what PoweredUp told you a few posts back. Don't be so ignorant, stop reading those BS muscle mags that are simply there to try and sell you worthless supplements that you don't need. And most of all don't listen to the ignorant guys at your gym that tell you you have to hit the chest, bies, tries form "different angles" becasue they are moron's.

Who said they got any info from a muscle magazine and who said anything about supplements?

Read the above 5 times and then go to here and really read what Madcow is saying. Lifting core movements, adding weight to the bar every week is the best way to gain strength and grow.

http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/index.htm

Madcow and I are on the same page. Did you see dumbbell flyes included anywhere in his 5x5? I'm not sure how you make the argument "Lifting core movements, adding weight to the bar every week is the best way to gain strength and grow" and then at the same time you talk about dumbbell flyes being a worthwhile movement.

 

[djeclipse]

Who said they got any info from a muscle magazine and who said anything about supplements?

That is usually where they get crappy info like that, they always have those rediculous "get big quick" workouts that involve a bunch of isolation crap.

Madcow and I are on the same page. Did you see dumbbell flyes included anywhere in his 5x5? I'm not sure how you make the argument "Lifting core movements, adding weight to the bar every week is the best way to gain strength and grow" and then at the same time you talk about dumbbell flyes being a worthwhile movement.

Go back and re-read my post dude, where do I mention dumbell flies anywhere in my post? I don't waste my time with shit like that. Slow down and re-read my post, I was talking to billfred

 

[PoweredUp]

You are making my argument for me. If you want to work the chest, the fly is a very effective exercise. I did not say you don't use the bench either. Both are a perfect combo. To say you don't do flyes because you can't lift as much is idiotic.

The fly is as effective for the chest as the preacher curl machine is for the bicep. It will have minimal impact, if any. Flyes are an isolation movement, and strict isolation movements are well beyond second fiddle.

You said that to claim that flyes are worthless because you can't lift as much is "idiotic." Well why would you say that? The chest is one large muscle, and we know that to get muscles to grow we have to continue increasing the weight, and that should be done through heavy compound movements. The only exercises that effectively allow this to happen are flat bench presses (barbell and dumbbell) and weighted dips. Anything else like flyes, cable cross-overs, etc is a complete waste of your time and energy.

 

[PoweredUp]

Go back and re-read my post dude, where do I mention dumbell flies anywhere in my post? I don't waste my time with shit like that. Slow down and re-read my post, I was talking to billfred

You know what...your icon was very similar to billfred's which is why I thought I was responding to him. Sorry about that!

 

[djeclipse]

You know what...your icon was very similar to billfred's which is why I thought I was responding to him. Sorry about that!

It's all good.

Cheers

 

[thebadguy54]

I've been reading Mark Rippetoe's latest book, and he points out that if you do flat bench pressing and overhead pressing in your routine, then it is pointless to do the incline bench press. He also said that there is no reason to ever do the decline bench press, as he considers that exercise a waste of time. I don't believe he even talks about dumbbell flyes through the entire book, which pretty much shows just how important they are (not at all). I've read quite a few articles recently that talk about flyes being nothing more tha a single-joint isolation movement that should be eliminated from your routine.

So in the end, assuming that you do overhead presses, then there are only 3 chest exercises worth doing - barbell bench press, dumbbell bench press, and dips. Anything else will be far less effective at building muscle.

I agree.

Although, many on here will disagree and think that they know better than Rip.

They don't.

 

[dabuffguy]

You are making my argument for me. If you want to work the chest, the fly is a very effective exercise. I did not say you don't use the bench either. Both are a perfect combo. To say you don't do flyes because you can't lift as much is idiotic.

I think you make a good point in that the fly can have additional benefit, sure. But, it is small in comparison to the press.

 

[lanny]

owned.