Reasonable All the Time Dose

[pd01ag]

Hey guys,

I have done a few cycles over the last few years starting for the first time when I was 30. I felt like shit before my first cycle, could not for the life of me get lean despite hiring iron addict and running a strict timed carb diet, cardio 4 times per week, 3 days lifting etc (mind you I did lose some fat and got stronger the whole 3 months so he knew his shit, RIP). That was when I was 29. Fast forward to 30 years old, decided to do a cycle, 500 mg enanthate, felt like a CHAMP. Wow, what a difference in all aspects of my life. Got lean and muscular, full 6 pack and all. Came off, felt like shit again, went back on, champ again blah blah.. So anyway decided I'm staying on from now on. Been on 350 mg per week for a while now and sub 10% body fat and feeling great.

Problem is I have a little too much bloating in my face. I realize I do not control sodium like I should, but I think the test may have a lot to do with it. Anyone out there sensitive to test what is a good all the time dose of test to run to avoid this problem. I have arimidex, and take 2-3 tabs per week (1mg) but it doesn't seem to be doing the trick. I would also like to point out I don't plan on going up to 500 anymore, if I do it will be once per year for 3 months and thats it. I may do 2 iu's gh for 9-10 months but thats it.

Stats:

Sitting at 200 lbs right now, 5'8", bench 275, squat 300x3, deadlift 435x1, lift 3 days per week push pull legs, cardio 4-5 times 30-45 minutes. Diet is 2300-2600 cals per day 40% protein, 35% fat, 25% carbs. This keeps me lean year round. Logged my cals on fitday for a couple years straight don't really need to anymore.

Any feed back would be great, and please those trying to talk me out of year round use save it, I know how it felt off, I can't live like that. I would like to hear from guys who do this year round like I am now committed to doing.

Thanks guys

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Have you ever heard of PCT?

 

[joeblow12345]

Your main issue is your dose is too high. Most guys on trt stay at 100-200 mg week. Since your a blast and cruise guy I suggest running 250 mg week during the cruise and run what ever blast you want. Since adex isn't working I'd switch to aromasin or throw some forma in with the adex. But once you come down to 200-250 mg test your estrogen should be easier to control.


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[burnthiscorpse]

Your main issue is your dose is too high. Most guys on trt stay at 100-200 mg week. Since your a blast and cruise guy I suggest running 250 mg week during the cruise and run what ever blast you want. Since adex isn't working I'd switch to aromasin or throw some forma in with the adex. But once you come down to 200-250 mg test your estrogen should be easier to control.


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250mg is not a cruise dose unless you are a competitor. That will keep your test levels over 2000mg/dl which will cause elevated liver values, LDL, RBC ect for extended periods of time. Which is VERY unhealthy. If you want to cruise then find a dose that gets your test in the high normal range like around 1000ng/dl. It would most likely be 100-125mg wk. But you need bloodwork to know for sure where your Test and everything else is at. If your going to blast and cruise then regular blood work needs to be a way of life.

 

[joeblow12345]

250mg is not a cruise dose unless you are a competitor. That will keep your test levels over 2000mg/dl which will cause elevated liver values, LDL, RBC ect for extended periods of time. Which is VERY unhealthy. If you want to cruise then find a dose that gets your test in the high normal range like around 1000ng/dl. It would most likely be 100-125mg wk. But you need bloodwork to know for sure where your Test and everything else is at. If your going to blast and cruise then regular blood work needs to be a way of life.

It depends on the person as to what dose would keep you at high normal. As far as the 250 mg goes that's the lowest I'd go for someone who wants to maintain high levels of performance. The hrt doses are too low IMO to continuously hit pr's and hold onto large gains from blasts. The hrt doses are more suited for those with actual low t that want to be normal, and those that just lift for general fitness. Either way I agree that regular blood work is a must.


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[burnthiscorpse]

It depends on the person as to what dose would keep you at high normal. As far as the 250 mg goes that's the lowest I'd go for someone who wants to maintain high levels of performance. The hrt doses are too low IMO to continuously hit pr's and hold onto large gains from blasts. The hrt doses are more suited for those with actual low t that want to be normal, and those that just lift for general fitness. Either way I agree that regular blood work is a must.


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You are correct. 150mg of test might do for some what it might take others 250mg to equal level wise.
If your a competitor then yes a higher cruise to maintain mass is required. For myself... the change in size from a blast to 100mg wk is acceptable.
Blasting and cruising should be the equivilent of doing a cycle and going through a successful pct and ending up with good gains. Except with the cruise you can get your T levels at high normal or slightly over(say apx 1200ng/dl) which will allow more retention of mass and strength instead of dropping to a "normal" tet of say 600ng/dl.
Bottom line is what your after long term health wise. RBC too high too long isnt good for the heart.

 

[needtogetaas]

Hey guys,

I have done a few cycles over the last few years starting for the first time when I was 30. I felt like shit before my first cycle, could not for the life of me get lean despite hiring iron addict and running a strict timed carb diet, cardio 4 times per week, 3 days lifting etc (mind you I did lose some fat and got stronger the whole 3 months so he knew his shit, RIP). That was when I was 29. Fast forward to 30 years old, decided to do a cycle, 500 mg enanthate, felt like a CHAMP. Wow, what a difference in all aspects of my life. Got lean and muscular, full 6 pack and all. Came off, felt like shit again, went back on, champ again blah blah.. So anyway decided I'm staying on from now on. Been on 350 mg per week for a while now and sub 10% body fat and feeling great.

Problem is I have a little too much bloating in my face. I realize I do not control sodium like I should, but I think the test may have a lot to do with it. Anyone out there sensitive to test what is a good all the time dose of test to run to avoid this problem. I have arimidex, and take 2-3 tabs per week (1mg) but it doesn't seem to be doing the trick. I would also like to point out I don't plan on going up to 500 anymore, if I do it will be once per year for 3 months and thats it. I may do 2 iu's gh for 9-10 months but thats it.

Stats:

Sitting at 200 lbs right now, 5'8", bench 275, squat 300x3, deadlift 435x1, lift 3 days per week push pull legs, cardio 4-5 times 30-45 minutes. Diet is 2300-2600 cals per day 40% protein, 35% fat, 25% carbs. This keeps me lean year round. Logged my cals on fitday for a couple years straight don't really need to anymore.

Any feed back would be great, and please those trying to talk me out of year round use save it, I know how it felt off, I can't live like that. I would like to hear from guys who do this year round like I am now committed to doing.

Thanks guys

Ok so are you planning on staying on all the time now? Want maybe a good AI for staying on all the time too? I been on for the past couple of years so I know all the ins and outs of being on all the time bro. Love to help ya just let me know.

 

[MattJS]

I've been cruising at 250 for some time without issue, however I'm planning on dropping this to maybe 125 after or during my next blast due to health reasons as Burnthiscorpse mentioned... I found when I was 'on' that every aspect of my life improved, mood, sleeping, libido dropped to a manageable level etc hence my staying on.... Btw I recently upped my dose on a blast from 250 to 400 and have gained at least four pounds of water, and visible bloat... the difference in those two doses is significant you should try 250...

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I've been cruising at 250 for some time without issue, however I'm planning on dropping this to maybe 125 after or during my next blast due to health reasons as Burnthiscorpse mentioned... I found when I was 'on' that every aspect of my life improved, mood, sleeping, libido dropped to a manageable level etc hence my staying on.... Btw I recently upped my dose on a blast from 250 to 400 and have gained at least four pounds of water, and visible bloat... the difference in those two doses is significant you should try 250...

Very significant increase between 250 and 400. If you were on 100mg for a while then went up 100mg every few months you would notice an absolute difference every 100mg increase. The only way to tell is bloodwork. Some guys can run a higher cruise dose like 250 which IS a cycle and not get as much elevated RBC, LDL, ect... as other people.

 

[pd01ag]

Very significant increase between 250 and 400. If you were on 100mg for a while then went up 100mg every few months you would notice an absolute difference every 100mg increase. The only way to tell is bloodwork. Some guys can run a higher cruise dose like 250 which IS a cycle and not get as much elevated RBC, LDL, ect... as other people.

You mentioned PCT before, of course I am familiar and I ran one after my first cycle. I didn't got back on for 6 or 7 months. Point was I felt like shit before my first cycle and like shit when I was off. Minute I went back on I started to feel good again (energy, sex drive, not depressed etc...). I think my test levels were probably in the toilet.

I will heed your advice though and drop the dose. I am pretty much just looking to keep myself in the high normal range forever and not really do cycles anymore. Maybe one here and there but at 350mg I have not lost really any weight or strength from 500mg not that I care if I do I just want to feel good every day. Maybe I will drop to 250 and see how that goes?

I appreciate your advice and I understand all the health implications.

I will say this I told my doctor I was on 300-350 mg of test and he said "so your not on anabolic steroids"? I was of course a little confused initially but it seems he doesn't consider test juice lol. Only health issues he mentioned were prostate and kidneys. However, I realize RBC count, high blood pressure etc... are other issues to look for. He's not an endo so I'll give him a break.

 

[pd01ag]

Ok so are you planning on staying on all the time now? Want maybe a good AI for staying on all the time too? I been on for the past couple of years so I know all the ins and outs of being on all the time bro. Love to help ya just let me know.

I want to stay on from now on. I just want to put myself in the high normal range (1000 dl/ng) and stay there. It is more than possible to maintain a solid physique at that level as I am very strict with my diet (aside from sodium damn I love Franks Red Hot Sauce on everything) and religiously do cardio as much as I can stand of it. I have been working out for 14 years non stop (since I was 18) never taken more than 1 week off.

Any help you can give me with achieving this would be great.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I want to stay on from now on. I just want to put myself in the high normal range (1000 dl/ng) and stay there. It is more than possible to maintain a solid physique at that level as I am very strict with my diet (aside from sodium damn I love Franks Red Hot Sauce on everything) and religiously do cardio as much as I can stand of it. I have been working out for 14 years non stop (since I was 18) never taken more than 1 week off.

Any help you can give me with achieving this would be great.

You just need to pick your poison...test C, E, sust(but this is more in depth), and go with a dose. Likely starting around 125mg wk. Run it for 8 weeks and get your total T done. Then adjust 25mg up or down as needed.
Then when you want to do a blast leave your TRT dose as is and add prop for 6-8 weeks at a time.

 

[sharkmaster]

You just need to pick your poison...test C, E, sust(but this is more in depth), and go with a dose. Likely starting around 125mg wk. Run it for 8 weeks and get your total T done. Then adjust 25mg up or down as needed.
Then when you want to do a blast leave your TRT dose as is and add prop for 6-8 weeks at a time.

I think this is the best advise... You might find that you feel great with 125mg a week. Blood work is key. the rest is just a guessing game with your health at risk. You may also have some underlying problem that you never address if you dont get a full hormone panel done while being natty.

 

[pd01ag]

You just need to pick your poison...test C, E, sust(but this is more in depth), and go with a dose. Likely starting around 125mg wk. Run it for 8 weeks and get your total T done. Then adjust 25mg up or down as needed.
Then when you want to do a blast leave your TRT dose as is and add prop for 6-8 weeks at a time.

I always thought 250 mg would put you at 1000 ng/dl based on that study 300 vs 600.. Im sure you have seen it. I am not looking to be at 500-600 ng/dl I wanna be on the high end of normal. But if you think 125 is enough I am more than willing to give it a shot. This would amount to 0.5 ml since my cypionate is dosed at 250. I am assuming that once per week injections is plenty? I will get blood work done in 6 weeks because I have been on 350 for a while and need some time to let it drop.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I always thought 250 mg would put you at 1000 ng/dl based on that study 300 vs 600.. Im sure you have seen it. I am not looking to be at 500-600 ng/dl I wanna be on the high end of normal. But if you think 125 is enough I am more than willing to give it a shot. This would amount to 0.5 ml since my cypionate is dosed at 250. I am assuming that once per week injections is plenty? I will get blood work done in 6 weeks because I have been on 350 for a while and need some time to let it drop.

I would definatley give it 8 weeks bro. Let the half life of what your currently on break down. I would definatley start at 125 or .5ml wk. If your going to bother then yes you want to be high normal. 900-1100 range.
I was on test C for months at 150mg wk. Found out it was actually dosed at about 100mg heavy so it was like shooting 250wk. My total T came back at 2240!!!! I switched to 105mg of sust 350 every sunday like 8 weeks ago and i feel soooo much better.
Being too high for 8 mos or so My RBC really built up, LDL was just barely high, liver bilerubin was high. When i got my Total T done that explanied why. I expect bloods in 3 weeks to be perfect. (then I will blast again!)

 

[pd01ag]

I would definatley give it 8 weeks bro. Let the half life of what your currently on break down. I would definatley start at 125 or .5ml wk. If your going to bother then yes you want to be high normal. 900-1100 range.
I was on test C for months at 150mg wk. Found out it was actually dosed at about 100mg heavy so it was like shooting 250wk. My total T came back at 2240!!!! I switched to 105mg of sust 350 every sunday like 8 weeks ago and i feel soooo much better.
Being too high for 8 mos or so My RBC really built up, LDL was just barely high, liver bilerubin was high. When i got my Total T done that explanied why. I expect bloods in 3 weeks to be perfect. (then I will blast again!)

I appreciate the feedback I had no idea 250 per week could elevate your levels that much. I believed 500 would put your levels around 2000. Anyway, I will lower the dose to 0.5 ml per week and keep a pristine diet and workout routine and hopefully everything will fall in place.

Last thing, do you recommend an aromotase inhibitor? I have arimidex and I typically take one every other day or one every three days. Will this lower estrogen too much and cause other problems? Or can estrogen never be too low for us meat heads, lol

 

[-SD-]

You just need to pick your poison...test C, E, sust(but this is more in depth), and go with a dose. Likely starting around 125mg wk. Run it for 8 weeks and get your total T done. Then adjust 25mg up or down as needed.
Then when you want to do a blast leave your TRT dose as is and add prop for 6-8 weeks at a time.

Why cant run a normal cycle of Test C or E at 500-1000 a week on a long ester cycle with EQ, deca and whatnot?

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I appreciate the feedback I had no idea 250 per week could elevate your levels that much. I believed 500 would put your levels around 2000. Anyway, I will lower the dose to 0.5 ml per week and keep a pristine diet and workout routine and hopefully everything will fall in place.

Last thing, do you recommend an aromotase inhibitor? I have arimidex and I typically take one every other day or one every three days. Will this lower estrogen too much and cause other problems? Or can estrogen never be too low for us meat heads, lol

Well you have to account for a few things.... 1) everyones body is different. It might take 125mg wk to put me at 900ng/dl. Wheras it could take 200 to put you at the same place. 2) you also have to account for UG test. It can be dosed heavy or light thus affecting how much you need to run. This is why regular bloods are needed.
You should absolutely not need an AI at a TRT dose. Estrogen is our friend bro. You need a good balance of estrogen to make gains, feel good, get boners, lubricate our joints, ect. I would also switch to aromasin. Its a nicer drug than arimidex. Your sex drive will fluctuate even on a steady dose in the correct range. You may get a slight estrogen build up from time to time. In that case just take 12.5 mg of aromasin or .25mg of adex once and you should notice a difference.
But again..remember estrogen is not our enemy. You need it to make gains. Thats why people who run too much AI on cycle fuck up the gains they should be getting. Far too many people dont understand this. Even on a blast of 500mg wk or less, if you dont bloat too much (usually controlled by diet and cardio) or are NOT gyno prone then I wouldnt even use an AI then. Maybe 2 doses about 2 weeks after a long ester blast is stopped.

 

[pd01ag]

Why cant run a normal cycle of Test C or E at 500-1000 a week on a long ester cycle with EQ, deca and whatnot?

I have cycled but I don't really want to anymore. I just wanna feel good everyday and look like a million bucks. I don't seem to be able to do that naturally as I have hired professionals to design diets and logged my cals on fitday, done the workouts etc... and not only are results poor but I just overall feel terrible. Within a few weeks of hitting the test I immediately feel better. Obviously theres a problem but my doc won't touch it so I'm trying to do it myself. I'll get the blood work done privately and pay myself.

 

[pd01ag]

Well you have to account for a few things.... 1) everyones body is different. It might take 125mg wk to put me at 900ng/dl. Wheras it could take 200 to put you at the same place. 2) you also have to account for UG test. It can be dosed heavy or light thus affecting how much you need to run. This is why regular bloods are needed.
You should absolutely not need an AI at a TRT dose. Estrogen is our friend bro. You need a good balance of estrogen to make gains, feel good, get boners, lubricate our joints, ect. I would also switch to aromasin. Its a nicer drug than arimidex. Your sex drive will fluctuate even on a steady dose in the correct range. You may get a slight estrogen build up from time to time. In that case just take 12.5 mg of aromasin or .25mg of adex once and you should notice a difference.
But again..remember estrogen is not our enemy. You need it to make gains. Thats why people who run too much AI on cycle fuck up the gains they should be getting. Far too many people dont understand this. Even on a blast of 500mg wk or less, if you dont bloat too much (usually controlled by diet and cardio) or are NOT gyno prone then I wouldnt even use an AI then. Maybe 2 doses about 2 weeks after a long ester blast is stopped.

Sounds good I'm gonna give this a shot for 8 weeks and then have my blood tested and see where I stand.

I appreciate you taking the time to answer all of my questions.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Sounds good I'm gonna give this a shot for 8 weeks and then have my blood tested and see where I stand.

I appreciate you taking the time to answer all of my questions.

Any time bro.

I know you said you dont want to cycle any more but once you find your sweet spot you would be suprised how easily it would flow to even add another 100 or 200 mg wk for maybe 10 weeks during the summer or whatever. But its your call. Glad I could help.

 

[stevesmi]

dunno if someone mentioned this but would like to see your bloods before and after your cycle.

i doubt you ran a proper pct..

if you keep too high a test dose you will eventually start feeling like shit again.. why? because of your lipids strain.. you must cycle off to give the body a break.. if you want to stay on for life (which i think is stupid at 30 to wipe away your HPTA so young) then atleast cruise at a lower dose for a while and then blast... or you will end up with high bp and blood as thick as oil.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

dunno if someone mentioned this but would like to see your bloods before and after your cycle.

i doubt you ran a proper pct..

if you keep too high a test dose you will eventually start feeling like shit again.. why? because of your lipids strain.. you must cycle off to give the body a break.. if you want to stay on for life (which i think is stupid at 30 to wipe away your HPTA so young) then atleast cruise at a lower dose for a while and then blast... or you will end up with high bp and blood as thick as oil.

I am proof of this.... With my extended cruise of 150mg wk...not knowing my test was dosed high....made my blood pretty thick. Started getting wierd palpitations for no apparent reason. Which is why I immediatley started taking an asprin a day which helped a TON. Once I got bloods done WITH total T , I obviously realized what was going on and why. I dont take asprin anymore and my blood should have thinned back out quite a bit on the lower test now after 3 mos almost. I had an Echocardiogram done just to be safe and it was all good to go. I used to get them E2Years anyways but its been 5 years.
You really cant monitor your health enough when you cruise or cycle or whatever.

 

[goin on 4T]

To add to all of this good information. Get a full hormone blood panel not just test levels. Get the full package as you may not know what is getting messed up somewhere else.


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[needtogetaas]

I want to stay on from now on. I just want to put myself in the high normal range (1000 dl/ng) and stay there. It is more than possible to maintain a solid physique at that level as I am very strict with my diet (aside from sodium damn I love Franks Red Hot Sauce on everything) and religiously do cardio as much as I can stand of it. I have been working out for 14 years non stop (since I was 18) never taken more than 1 week off.

Any help you can give me with achieving this would be great.

250mg test a week and 5 pumps am and pm forma-stanzol every day. Toss in 4 weeks of hcgenerate every once in a wile at 3 caps am 2 caps pm to kick sex drive up and see your balls again. This is the best I have found over the years. I also toss in some RS-transaderm 5 pumps am. I do this just for the good mood it puts me in that is it.

 

[pd01ag]

I am proof of this.... With my extended cruise of 150mg wk...not knowing my test was dosed high....made my blood pretty thick. Started getting wierd palpitations for no apparent reason. Which is why I immediatley started taking an asprin a day which helped a TON. Once I got bloods done WITH total T , I obviously realized what was going on and why. I dont take asprin anymore and my blood should have thinned back out quite a bit on the lower test now after 3 mos almost. I had an Echocardiogram done just to be safe and it was all good to go. I used to get them E2Years anyways but its been 5 years.
You really cant monitor your health enough when you cruise or cycle or whatever.

Its amazing such a moderate dose could cause that many problems. I am not gonna say who this guy is because he is popular on a particular site, but he swears 400-500mg weekly is not only a moderate to low dose but that its healthy and can be run for years on end. Its tough with all the conflicting info. Obviously, running 500 mg is gonna keep you jacked but damn it just doesn't sound right.. I always thought 200-250 was a low to moderate dose and it seems I'm off even at that.

I have had those palpitations before its not a good feeling and is definitely concerning. I have had extensive checkups but I know things can change quickly so... I'll take the checkups for what their worth..

Anyway, thanks for the advice I will significantly lower my dose, and as others have suggested get a FULL panel done of all hormones..

Thanks guys, a lot of helpful guys around here

 

[goin on 4T]

Its amazing such a moderate dose could cause that many problems. I am not gonna say who this guy is because he is popular on a particular site, but he swears 400-500mg weekly is not only a moderate to low dose but that its healthy and can be run for years on end. Its tough with all the conflicting info. Obviously, running 500 mg is gonna keep you jacked but damn it just doesn't sound right.. I always thought 200-250 was a low to moderate dose and it seems I'm off even at that.

I have had those palpitations before its not a good feeling and is definitely concerning. I have had extensive checkups but I know things can change quickly so... I'll take the checkups for what their worth..

Anyway, thanks for the advice I will significantly lower my dose, and as others have suggested get a FULL panel done of all hormones..

Thanks guys, a lot of helpful guys around here

He sounds like an irresponsible fool.
I feel sorry for the people that listen to that garbage.
Sounds like his interest is in them using volume so maybe he has an interest in a UG lab.

 

[stevesmi]

Its amazing such a moderate dose could cause that many problems. I am not gonna say who this guy is because he is popular on a particular site, but he swears 400-500mg weekly is not only a moderate to low dose but that its healthy and can be run for years on end. Its tough with all the conflicting info. Obviously, running 500 mg is gonna keep you jacked but damn it just doesn't sound right.. I always thought 200-250 was a low to moderate dose and it seems I'm off even at that.

I have had those palpitations before its not a good feeling and is definitely concerning. I have had extensive checkups but I know things can change quickly so... I'll take the checkups for what their worth..

Anyway, thanks for the advice I will significantly lower my dose, and as others have suggested get a FULL panel done of all hormones..

Thanks guys, a lot of helpful guys around here

I cycle 10-15 weeks at a time with rarely over 800mg of total juice.. really 400 or less usually and my RBC's and other lipids go high. so staying on year round at those dosages would literally damage your heart.

you are adding 3-5X+ more male hormones than your body naturally produces even at low to moderate doses. so of course its gonna send your lipids all over the place.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Its amazing such a moderate dose could cause that many problems. I am not gonna say who this guy is because he is popular on a particular site, but he swears 400-500mg weekly is not only a moderate to low dose but that its healthy and can be run for years on end. Its tough with all the conflicting info. Obviously, running 500 mg is gonna keep you jacked but damn it just doesn't sound right.. I always thought 200-250 was a low to moderate dose and it seems I'm off even at that.

I have had those palpitations before its not a good feeling and is definitely concerning. I have had extensive checkups but I know things can change quickly so... I'll take the checkups for what their worth..

Anyway, thanks for the advice I will significantly lower my dose, and as others have suggested get a FULL panel done of all hormones..

Thanks guys, a lot of helpful guys around here

500mg wk long term will kill you eventually. Your RBC will be sky high, your blood will be thick, liver values likely elevated, Lipids probably off especially LDL. But it will really fuck up your heart is what the bottom line is. Even if it takes 20 years to show up it will absolutely shorten your life considerably.

Like steve said, 400mg of gear really raises his RBC. Now some people might not get that dramatic of an effect as he does. Its really person to person and blood work is the only way to tell. I guarantee that captain 500mg wk trt doesnt get blood work done.

You will find with this site that people are more apt to look out for your health than other sites.

Like I said, In my case my cyp was over dosed quite a bit. So I switched to sust thats pretty much dead on.

 

[needtogetaas]

Its amazing such a moderate dose could cause that many problems. I am not gonna say who this guy is because he is popular on a particular site, but he swears 400-500mg weekly is not only a moderate to low dose but that its healthy and can be run for years on end. Its tough with all the conflicting info. Obviously, running 500 mg is gonna keep you jacked but damn it just doesn't sound right.. I always thought 200-250 was a low to moderate dose and it seems I'm off even at that.

I have had those palpitations before its not a good feeling and is definitely concerning. I have had extensive checkups but I know things can change quickly so... I'll take the checkups for what their worth..

Anyway, thanks for the advice I will significantly lower my dose, and as others have suggested get a FULL panel done of all hormones..

Thanks guys, a lot of helpful guys around here

Sounds like you are talking about Ross lmao ..

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm on HRT of 150 a week and my T comes back around 1000 -- which is considered high for a 20 year old. How much more do you need?

 

[pd01ag]

I'm on HRT of 150 a week and my T comes back around 1000 -- which is considered high for a 20 year old. How much more do you need?

I would be more than happy with that. When I was in my mid 20's I was always lean, never a big muscular guy but lean and cut. As I got closer to 30 it seemed like my diet got better, cleaner, and I worked out dilligently yet I still couldn't get lean. To add to this, I felt like crap all the time, would have to take naps part way through the day, more moody etc... I started to research and found low T was possibly the problem. I pitched it to my doctor and he said he wouldn't be open to that type of thing, I think he's old school and doesn't believe in it although he doesn't really consider testosterone bad I think he's just covering his ass liability wise.

At any rate I would be happy with a score of 1000 and I am more than sure I will be feeling great in the gym and looking good as well. I would post a picture of how I look right now if I was computer literate but I am pretty cut and have good size on 350 mg after running 500. I will definitely taper down starting with my next shot.

 

[pd01ag]

Sounds like you are talking about Ross lmao ..

His name isn't Ross he's not on this site but I wouldn't say his name regardless. It just didn't sound right that you could run 400-500 mg endlessly. Thats why I have 1) tapered down and 2) started to ask a lot of questions. I just wanna feel good everyday simple as that.

 

[pd01ag]

One final but unrelated question to the topic at hand. When I inject and pull the pin out, sometimes some juice comes out with blood. How can I avoid this happening? Am I not pulling the pin out fast enough or is this unavoidable and the difference negligible in the end??

 

[goin on 4T]

Heat the oil before pinning and inject slowly, sometimes its unavoidable.

 

[pd01ag]

Heat the oil before pinning and inject slowly, sometimes its unavoidable.

Thanks ill run the bottle under some hot tap water and try and slow down the injection.

 

[goin on 4T]

Where are you injecting?
Glutes are the best place for HRT injections. I read a damn great research report the other day that said the glutes had the greatest upload of testosterone than anyother injection site on the body. I need to find that article.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Injecting slow is the key. injecting 1ml shouldnt take less than 30 sec. 45 even.
As 4T said just use glutes. You really dont need to aspirate in glutes but you still should. Its just good practice. Dont worry about the little blood and oil. You passed through a vein. Once in a great while you may even get a drop in the syringe after injection.
If you ever feel light headed or get a rush during or post injection that just means you passed though a vein and a tiny bit of the juice may have gotten directly into your blood stream. Its ok. This is why we aspirate.

 

[pd01ag]

I rotate sites. I do 2 injects per week to keep levels more stable. Glutes for a week, shoulders for a week, chest for a week then back to glutes. So each site gets 3 weeks off. If I just do 0.5 ml once per week then I could probably get away with just glutes but I was always told to do 2 shots.

Any opinions on shot frequency?

 

[goin on 4T]

Yes two times per week.


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[MattJS]

Just wanna say some really good info on this thread, I will also be following Burnthiscorpse's advice for establishing a base dose, after my next blast, this has been really helpful...

 

[Labtec70]

Hi mate

If you really felt that bad prior to using gear, I'd definately listen to the guys who've commented so far.

But, to add my own twopenneth worth, I'd say you really need to get a comprehensive blood panel and check-up - without gear in your system - because you might be naturally T-deficient.
If this is the case, and depensing where you are and what your circumstances are, you could be entitled to therapy and ancillaries like HCG and AI's, whilst being monitored professionally.

The thing is, it's okay blasting and cruising if you're aware of any medical issues. However, if these issue are unidentified and left untreated, and you use a blast n cruise template for any length of time, you risk doing some awaful damage to your health, ultimately.

By all means, carry on what your doing, but do it properly, using the advice given by experienced guys here. They've been there and done it. Nevertheless, I'm concerned that you may have a medical condition(s) that is being masked by the cycling your currently doing. In other words, there might well be a problem which could potentially be serious, and all you're doing is eleviating the symptoms of this problem, rather than attending to it. Only time will tell.

It may be that you are simply T deficient, in which case cycling responsibly might see you through it. But, and it is a big BUT; there might be something more sinister at work that should be at least ruled out or in before doing this for any long duration.

Those are just my thoughts. Btw, I'm not a medical professional. I'm a lifter and testicular cancer survivor who has been on HRT therapy for 11 years.

 

[pd01ag]

Hi mate

If you really felt that bad prior to using gear, I'd definately listen to the guys who've commented so far.

But, to add my own twopenneth worth, I'd say you really need to get a comprehensive blood panel and check-up - without gear in your system - because you might be naturally T-deficient.
If this is the case, and depensing where you are and what your circumstances are, you could be entitled to therapy and ancillaries like HCG and AI's, whilst being monitored professionally.

The thing is, it's okay blasting and cruising if you're aware of any medical issues. However, if these issue are unidentified and left untreated, and you use a blast n cruise template for any length of time, you risk doing some awaful damage to your health, ultimately.

By all means, carry on what your doing, but do it properly, using the advice given by experienced guys here. They've been there and done it. Nevertheless, I'm concerned that you may have a medical condition(s) that is being masked by the cycling your currently doing. In other words, there might well be a problem which could potentially be serious, and all you're doing is eleviating the symptoms of this problem, rather than attending to it. Only time will tell.

It may be that you are simply T deficient, in which case cycling responsibly might see you through it. But, and it is a big BUT; there might be something more sinister at work that should be at least ruled out or in before doing this for any long duration.

Those are just my thoughts. Btw, I'm not a medical professional. I'm a lifter and testicular cancer survivor who has been on HRT therapy for 11 years.

I appreciate you giving your input because it is very valid. I have thought about coming off many many times, but truthfully I just always remember how terrible I felt off that I can't bring myself to do it. I think it would be a terrible crash at this point, and the anticipation of feeling really shitty and then feeling shitty will suck. Having said that I could just come off and run a normal pct and see what happens. Maybe that is what I should do and go for testing. I am going to have to think about this and maybe ask some vets here about an aggressive pct for someone coming off a long cycle.

Thanks I appreciate the input. My goal was never to stay on it just ended up that way because of how good I feel on.

 

[newtotheaasworld]

Blood Tests are mentioned numerous times in this post.

WHAT EXACT TESTS CAN I TYPE UP & TAKE TO THE LAB & HAVE THEM RUN??? THE MOST IMPORTANT & USEFUL ONES thanks

 

[joeblow12345]

Blood Tests are mentioned numerous times in this post.

WHAT EXACT TESTS CAN I TYPE UP & TAKE TO THE LAB & HAVE THEM RUN??? THE MOST IMPORTANT & USEFUL ONES thanks

Female hormone panel. You can add anything else specific you want. Go to private md labs its like $50 and you can always find discount codes.