Question about natural test shut down

[vonrebel]

Q1.) Does 250mg of test wk, shut a person down as much as 300mg, 500mg test wk?

In other words, Either your shut down or your not? is this correct?

And

Q2.) 250mg test 10 wks v/s 500mg test 10wks, would 500mg test 10 wks be more difficult to recover from? It would make sense heavy cycles would require more of a recovery?


The dosage and cycle time frames are just simple examples, to get a grasp
on shut down and recovery.

 

[centy]

I don't think there are varying degrees of shutdown. You either is or you ain't

 

[phillypaone]

I don't think there are varying degrees of shutdown. You either is or you ain't

LOL

 

[eddymerckx]

The HPTA is a biofeedback loop that regulates hormone production in the body by reading what the body considers as homeostatic levels. When exogenous testosterone is introduced the feedback loop reads the overload and signals the pitiuitary to cease production of certain hormones such as LH in an attempt to regain homeostasis. (hcg shorts circuits the loop)

The thing is, there are multiple factors go into the equation--type/dose/length of cycle. 250 or 500 for 10 weeks are both sufficient to shut-down natty test production and recovery is based on a proper pct, but every person is different

oh, your natty test production can be suppressed, but that is usually caused by other drugs.

good diagram by Michael C. Scally, M.D. from another site

 

[Donnie Darko]

The HPTA is a biofeedback loop that regulates hormone production in the body by reading what the body considers as homeostatic levels. When exogenous testosterone is introduced the feedback loop reads the overload and signals the pitiuitary to cease production of certain hormones such as LH in an attempt to regain homeostasis. (hcg shorts circuits the loop)

The thing is, there are multiple factors go into the equation--type/dose/length of cycle. 250 or 500 for 10 weeks are both sufficient to shut-down natty test production and recovery is based on a proper pct, but every person is different

oh, your natty test production can be suppressed, but that is usually caused by other drugs.

good diagram by Michael C. Scally, M.D. from another site

eddy, why is it that your diagram of the pituitary actually looks more like the testes and the testicles looks more like some beatnik reading poetry while smoking a cigarette?

 

[eddymerckx]

eddy, why is it that your diagram of the pituitary actually looks more like the testes and the testicles looks more like some beatnik reading poetry while smoking a cigarette?

damn, it does, what a downer man that as if Jack K got hit by a bus on the road

 

[Donnie Darko]

damn, it does, what a downer man that as if Jack K got hit by a bus on the road

No worries broham, I'm sure that there are some freaks out there whose pubes do look like beatniks reading poetry...probably people like needto or malvo for instance.

 

[centy]

lmao. i'm shitting me pants.

 

[eddymerckx]

my muse daddy'o

 

[Donnie Darko]

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to eddymerckx again.

That dude does kinda remind me of Les Claypool.

Sorry for hijacking the thread....carry on.

 

[eddymerckx]

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to eddymerckx again.

That dude does kinda remind me of Les Claypool.

Sorry for hijacking the thread....carry on.

so where were we, oh yea, when the anterior pituitary receives feed back of test above one's natty level, the beatniks eyes shrivel ---followed by a howl of skittley wah wah wah not lead in the pencil man

 

[ryno9000]

Thread of the week. Cultural, informative, witty and hilarious. 2 thumbs up.

 

[Donnie Darko]

so where were we, oh yea, when the anterior pituitary receives feed back of test above one's natty level, the beatniks eyes shrivel ---followed by a howl of skittley wah wah wah not lead in the pencil man

LOL! Actually, your original post was good. It does come down to how much one person uses and for how long, but all in all, any and all exogenous test useage does have an effect that can cause a negative feedback. Every person will be dose dependant and every dose will be time dependant. Some people can bounce back quicker than others while others such as Chris Crocker (Leave Brittany Spears alone!!!!!!!!!!!) will need a ton of HCG and major counselling to help him back into the male population.

 

[ryno9000]

The HPTA is a biofeedback loop that regulates hormone production in the body by reading what the body considers as homeostatic levels. When exogenous testosterone is introduced the feedback loop reads the overload and signals the pitiuitary to cease production of certain hormones such as LH in an attempt to regain homeostasis. (hcg shorts circuits the loop)

The thing is, there are multiple factors go into the equation--type/dose/length of cycle. 250 or 500 for 10 weeks are both sufficient to shut-down natty test production and recovery is based on a proper pct, but every person is different

oh, your natty test production can be suppressed, but that is usually caused by other drugs.
good diagram by Michael C. Scally, M.D. from another site

So my question on this is, you can only "shut down" your natural test levels by replacing natural levels with higher levels of the same thing, while other drugs will only suppress/slow test production? I can't seem to word my question the way I want to.

 

[eddymerckx]

So my question on this is, you can only "shut down" your natural test levels by replacing natural levels with higher levels of the same thing, while other drugs will only suppress/slow test production? I can't seem to word my question the way I want to.

there are a host of drugs -- alcohol and marijuana etc and other chemicals- polychlorinated biphenyls, dioxins, naturally occurring plant estrogens that can suppress natty test--and many testosterone analogues can have the same impact as test b/c it can impact a host of factors (like estrodiol levels)--just not as dramatically and efficiently as plain old test

 

[nzrodney]

Q1.) Does 250mg of test wk, shut a person down as much as 300mg, 500mg test wk?

In other words, Either your shut down or your not? is this correct?

And

Q2.) 250mg test 10 wks v/s 500mg test 10wks, would 500mg test 10 wks be more difficult to recover from? It would make sense heavy cycles would require more of a recovery?


The dosage and cycle time frames are just simple examples, to get a grasp
on shut down and recovery.

Q1. 250mg synthethic test is roughly 4 times more than the male bodies natural production, so I would be inclined to suggest that this is more than enough to shutdown the HPTA.
Q2. I would like to see an informed answer to this question. My thinking is that once shutdown its not dose dependant but more time dependant. As BBers we use xtra test to get strength & size gains in an artificial environment.

 

[eddymerckx]

Q1. 250mg synthethic test is roughly 4 times more than the male bodies natural production, so I would be inclined to suggest that this is more than enough to shutdown the HPTA.
Q2. I would like to see an informed answer to this question. My thinking is that once shutdown its not dose dependant but more time dependant. As BBers we use xtra test to get strength & size gains in an artificial environment.

hey rod, good to see you. how is the shoulder?

the reading i have done suggests that very long cycles can cause harder restarts (but not in everyone), but then there are cases of some bro doing a basic light cycle who struggles to recover. I think it has a lot to do w/individual physiology, what other drugs they take for othe issues, and the substance of the pct.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I think a lot of people use the tern "shutdown" without really knowing what it means. If you're "shutdown, that would mean once you came off the juice you would have T levels in the double digits for a couple of months. That would not be the case if you took 250 mgs of test for 6 weeks. It WOULD be the case if you took a gram for 16 weeks. So yes, there is a difference.

 

[Mavafanculo]

in simplified cliff note form, your body tries to maintain homeostatic quantity X units of test.

if you inject any compound that is mapped to x-40 units by the hypothalmus, then your body will produce 40 units to get it to its homeostatic quantity.

if you inject any compound that is mapped to x-10 units by the hypothalmus, then your body will produce 10 units to get it to its homeostatic quantity.

if you inject any compound that is mapped to >/= X units by the hypothalmus, then your body will not produce any of its own test cuz it thinks it has enuf.

 

[needtogetaas]

No worries broham, I'm sure that there are some freaks out there whose pubes do look like beatniks reading poetry...probably people like needto or malvo for instance.

 

[Mavafanculo]

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[thebadguy54]

needto you switched back to that av? when is doctor evil coming back bro?

 

[needtogetaas]

Nelson is cool. He is just messing around so I like to mess back. Will get him later lol.

 

[needtogetaas]

wtf. I thought that was nelson that said that lol. It was donny. Now donny is going o get it.

 

[digimon7068]

it all shuts me down, regardless of the dose. . .and fast acting stuff (e.g. prop) seems to do it faster than slow acting stuff (e.g. test-e). . .

 

[vonrebel]

Thanks for all the boards input,

1.) When a person is on cycle, How would they know if you were shut down or not,?

A person might be able to say it's likely I'm shut down since I'm on cycle, but how could you prove or even think you know your shut down, without blood work? BUT Of course a person would be shut down on cycle, but I don't see how a person could know.

2.) When a person finishes their cycle what's it feel like to be shut down?

3.) When your body finally recovers from the cycle how does a person
know he's recovered or fully recovered, with out blood testing?


Point being; feeling like your shut down or feeling like your recovered is more or less all guessing, isn't it? Without the lab work hoiw would you really know?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Thanks for all the boards input,

1.) When a person is on cycle, How would they know if you were shut down or not,?

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ALL THE SYMPTOMS -- WEAKNESS, LACK OF SEX DRIVE, IMPOTENCE, ETC

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A person might be able to say it's likely I'm shut down since I'm on cycle, but how could you prove or even think you know your shut down, without blood work?
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YOU NEVER KNOW THE NUMBERS WITHOUT A BLOOD TEST. OTHERWISE IT'S GUESSING.

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BUT Of course a person would be shut down on cycle, but I don't see how a person could know.

2.) When a person finishes their cycle what's it feel like to be shut down?

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SHITTY.


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3.) When your body finally recovers from the cycle how does a person
know he's recovered or fully recovered, with out blood testing?

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YOU DON'T. YOU CAN FEEL NORMAL THOUGH.


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Point being; feeling like your shut down or feeling like your recovered is more or less all guessing, isn't it? Without the lab work hoiw would you really know?


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YOU ANSWERED YOUR OWN QUESTION.

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[digimon7068]

Thanks for all the boards input,

1.) When a person is on cycle, How would they know if you were shut down or not,?

A person might be able to say it's likely I'm shut down since I'm on cycle, but how could you prove or even think you know your shut down, without blood work? BUT Of course a person would be shut down on cycle, but I don't see how a person could know.

2.) When a person finishes their cycle what's it feel like to be shut down?

3.) When your body finally recovers from the cycle how does a person
know he's recovered or fully recovered, with out blood testing?


Point being; feeling like your shut down or feeling like your recovered is more or less all guessing, isn't it? Without the lab work hoiw would you really know?

well. . .if your nuts are the size of peas (i.e. testicular atrophy) there's a pretty good chance you're shut down. . .

however, what you're saying is true. . .lab work is the only way to know for sure whether or not your boys are back on line again. . .

 

[vonrebel]

1.) Thought a person would feel great while on cycle, even if they were shut down. Especially on test cycle? or a cycle with test?

2.) Didn't realize if a person shuts down while on cycle they would feel shitty! thought the cycle would repalce what the body stopped producing and the person would feel even better while on cycle? No So?

3.) Maybe that's why test should be a part of every cycle???

 

[GUARDIAN]

nelson is spot on with his answers

 

[Donnie Darko]

wtf. I thought that was nelson that said that lol. It was donny. Now donny is going o get it.

Sorry guys. I was in a mischievous mood.