PW Humulin R..............carb timing

[ednhoss12]

Was curious as to anyone's experiences w/ Humulin R post workout and what schedule of dieting they found to be the most beneficial. How long after injection did you have your first carb meal (dextrose) ? Was it a carb only meal..........or carbs and protein?

I recovered what seemed to be a good post workout diet regimen.......

dextrose 75-100g w/ glutamine and creatine 5 min after injection, then 50-80g or whey isolate 15 min later....followed by a whole food meal low in fat w/ low glycemic carbs and lean protein source 45 min after the whey. Ane even another whole food meal same as 1st approx. 1hr after 1st whole food meal. Although this was developed w/ the use of humalog in mind, a much faster acting slin than the humulin r.

I'll have a vial of humalog in 2 weeks but for now I will be using the humulin r.

does anyone have any comments on how my pw diet timing would differ from the schedule I've mentioned?

 

[escher]

Was curious as to anyone's experiences w/ Humulin R post workout and what schedule of dieting they found to be the most beneficial. How long after injection did you have your first carb meal (dextrose) ? Was it a carb only meal..........or carbs and protein?

I recovered what seemed to be a good post workout diet regimen.......

dextrose 75-100g w/ glutamine and creatine 5 min after injection, then 50-80g or whey isolate 15 min later....followed by a whole food meal low in fat w/ low glycemic carbs and lean protein source 45 min after the whey. Ane even another whole food meal same as 1st approx. 1hr after 1st whole food meal. Although this was developed w/ the use of humalog in mind, a much faster acting slin than the humulin r.

I'll have a vial of humalog in 2 weeks but for now I will be using the humulin r.

does anyone have any comments on how my pw diet timing would differ from the schedule I've mentioned?

I'll give this one a shot...

I agree with your protocol here, as it looks like you have done at least SOME research and found out abouyt the basics. I'm not an insulin-wiz, but I used it safely and with good results, so here's my $0.02...

Humalog--peaks in 30-60 minutes, done in 2-3 hours
Humulin-R--peaks in 1.5-3 hours, done in 5 or 6

I ran Humulin-R 4-5 times a week, only on workout days, and only PW, for a total of 3 weeks. 5-7 units PER, followed IMMEDIATELY by a carb and protein shake. Don't bother trying to time your post-shot carb intake here, because sometimes things happen, you forget to eat or you don't have a chance to eat in time, and you go low. Just take the protein and carbs immediately following your shot. It's OK to wait on the protein (I do) for fifteen, so long as you remember to take it. TIMING IS CRITICAL WITH INSULIN!!! Your first post-shot carb and protein sources should be something easy to absorb, like gatorade or Twinlab's Ultra Fuel for the carbs, and some WPI for the protein.

If using Humulog, wait 30 minutes before having an actual meal, which should consist of something like rice and chicken to get a good blend of complex carbs and protein. If using Humulin-R, wait an hour after your shot. In either case, AVOID ALL FATS during the window of activity for your insulin. You will inevitably put on some fat if you go carb-crazy, but avoiding fats is a good way to minimize the insulin-bloat, IMO.

Anyway, this is the protocol that has worked for me, and what a buddy of mine used who competed in the NPC at a national level. Not saying it's the only way, just what worked for us.

One more thing, because I never ran above 8 i.u.s per shot (low doses), my slin was always done in 2 hours. That's Humulin-R--NOT Humalog. I monitored myself with a glucometer to verify results. It'd peak in about an hour, and after 2 hours I was back down to earth. So just keep yourself fed during that window. If you run higher doses, however, I feel that the activity of the insulin will be not only amplified (duh), but extended.

I have no scientific evidence to support this theory, only what I noticed when experimenting with slin for myself. So this is all my $0.02, essentially here-say, and is IN NO WAY medical advice. If you kill yourself from slin-use, you want to blame a guy who goes by the EF handle, "shortstack". He is responsible for most of the havoc on this board.

Covered a lot here. Let me know if the info at least helps, if it doesn't actually answers your question.

-e

 

[Indy]

If you kill yourself from slin-use, you want to blame a guy who goes by the EF handle, "shortstack". He is responsible for most of the havoc on this board.
-e

LOL, that's my protocol as well, so far so good.

 

[ednhoss12]

that's good stuff escher, nice to hear that you and your buddy had success w/ this plan. BTW, what kind of gains did you make? Were you running in w/ a cycle?

I used it the first time today after an arm workout......4iu's. I shot IM, works well. I quickly slammed down the dextrose w/ glutamine and creatine. 15 min later I put down the whey, then spit it right back up! Haven't ever done that except after a leg workout, not sure what the deal was, maybe too much liquid I dunno, but I may be putting the two together from now on. Luckily I had some glucose tabs since I spit up everything, I was so scared I ate all of them! ha! They're like giant smartee's! Anyway, thankx for the info bro. Much appreciated.

Was wondering if anyone may have some experience w/ morning shots? The past few months I've been starting my day off w/ some dextrose and whey, actually same as PW w/ the glutamine, creatine, vanadyl, r-ala. If I'm gonna continue to do this, wouldn't it make sense to shoot some slin first thing to help push that shit in my muscles? I really don't see the need to continue w/ this dextrose/whey first thing in the morning w/ if I'm not gonna use the slin. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

 

[escher]

that's good stuff escher, nice to hear that you and your buddy had success w/ this plan. BTW, what kind of gains did you make? Were you running in w/ a cycle?

I used it the first time today after an arm workout......4iu's. I shot IM, works well. I quickly slammed down the dextrose w/ glutamine and creatine. 15 min later I put down the whey, then spit it right back up! Haven't ever done that except after a leg workout, not sure what the deal was, maybe too much liquid I dunno, but I may be putting the two together from now on. Luckily I had some glucose tabs since I spit up everything, I was so scared I ate all of them! ha! They're like giant smartee's! Anyway, thankx for the info bro. Much appreciated.

Was wondering if anyone may have some experience w/ morning shots? The past few months I've been starting my day off w/ some dextrose and whey, actually same as PW w/ the glutamine, creatine, vanadyl, r-ala. If I'm gonna continue to do this, wouldn't it make sense to shoot some slin first thing to help push that shit in my muscles? I really don't see the need to continue w/ this dextrose/whey first thing in the morning w/ if I'm not gonna use the slin. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Your story put a big-'ol smile on my face, not to imply that I enjoy your misfortune--I can relate! My tummy is real sensitive PW, especially on certain days where things may feel a bit "off." Certain types of creatine make me nauseous anyway, as do protein shakes.

As for my gains using the insulin, I went from 204 up to 213 in just under a week when I used creatine. Don't flip out, you read it correctly. I was depressed and my diet was off, so I lost a lot of the weight I had put on naturally. Upping my calories and adding the creatine sent my weight through the roof, back up to where it had been at 213. Then I added insulin into the mix (no AAS, just slin for experimental purposes), and my weight went up to 220 in about another week. I'm 6 feet nothing, 10% BF, and I was the MOST massive I have ever been when I used the insulin, but it wasn't really the kind of mass I want on me. I looked like the Stay-Puffed marshmellow man from Ghostbusters. Couldn't see my hard-earned muscles any more. And I've always been a lean kid.

As for your question at the end, it's kind of tricky. Here's why:

If you're going to be using insulin, then I am assuming you have done your reaearch, know what you're doing, and are prepared to make the sacrifices to give your insulin cycle/food intake priority over other aspects of life, where needed. If you know what you're doing, then I am also assuming your insulin cycle will be relatively short, say 4 weeks or less, and that you will not be running insulin every day. But it is still possible to do some damage, even in this short window of a "cycle."

I understand and COMPLETELY agree with your logic on using slin in the mornings to get those nutrients going. But if you work out in the evenings (not sure if I read you correctly), this is essentially doubling the damage to your pancreatic functions as you are doubling the exogenous intake of insulin--one dose in the mornings, one dose PW. This is what you're talking about, correct?

My verdict (and this is just me), you COULD use insulin in the mornings as well and get good results by better utilizing the stuff you would be taking (the supplements), but since it is not very well understood how insulin used for anabolic purposes affects the body's natural system, I would still urge you to adjust your workout schedule to fit with your supplement intake, rather than taking multiple insulin shots in any given day. Why risk becoming an insulin-dependent diabetic just to gain an extra 5 or 10 pounds? Your call though. Just remember to alsways abide by the insulin protocols, as detailed in my first post to this thread (or something similar that allows for safe, controlled gains).

-e

 

[ednhoss12]

thanks bro, I really appreciate that. I was told by a few bros at some other boards that running it 7 days a week was fine as long as you didn't stay on for longer than 4 weeks. I had planned on a 4 on 2 off protocol w/ my 15 week bulker. I should probably reconsider running slin everyday though. Think I'll dig a little deeper on that, see what I can find. Thanks a lot for your help escher, later bro.

 

[yomama]

20iu after workout with 60g of carbs. It's just me but that's what I get away with.