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During a prostate exam does'nt the doctor stick his finger all the way up your ass?
Prostate cancer from test. ALL MUST READ!
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Saw Palmetto
OVERVIEW
Background
Botanical name: Serenoa repens
Saw Palmetto thrives in the Southeastern United States and the berries were consumed by the Seminole Indians. The berries contain an oil formed from lipid sterols and other fatty acids. Saw Palmetto allegedly reduces symptoms of benign prostatic hypertrophy (BPH). Although the standard pharmaceutical for BPH is Proscar, 30% of men who take Proscar report impotence and other disconcerting side effects1. While Saw Palmetto does not reduce the enlargement of the prostate gland, it reportedly alleviates symptoms associated with prostatic enlargement. The Proscar equivalent dosage of Saw Palmetto is 320 mg daily. Saw Palmetto has been reported to decrease the frequency of urination and retention of urine without the side effect of impotence.
from:
http://www.sph.uth.tmc.edu/utcam/therapies/sawpalmetto.htm
OVERVIEW
Background
Botanical name: Serenoa repens
Saw Palmetto thrives in the Southeastern United States and the berries were consumed by the Seminole Indians. The berries contain an oil formed from lipid sterols and other fatty acids. Saw Palmetto allegedly reduces symptoms of benign prostatic hypertrophy (BPH). Although the standard pharmaceutical for BPH is Proscar, 30% of men who take Proscar report impotence and other disconcerting side effects1. While Saw Palmetto does not reduce the enlargement of the prostate gland, it reportedly alleviates symptoms associated with prostatic enlargement. The Proscar equivalent dosage of Saw Palmetto is 320 mg daily. Saw Palmetto has been reported to decrease the frequency of urination and retention of urine without the side effect of impotence.
from:
http://www.sph.uth.tmc.edu/utcam/therapies/sawpalmetto.htm
panerai said:
Correct, but the same potential is found in other (more anabolic) non-aromatizable steroids.
- Bill Llewellyn
Realgains said:Why do I and many urologists "harp" about DHT....
FACT: Men born without the enzyme 5 Alpha reductase NEVER GET PROSTATE CANCER!!! We all know that 5 Alpha converts test to DHT!
And Yes high estrogen is thought to be a contributor too....so take the estogen inhibitor too!
I think you are missing my point a little.
Take a look at this reference.
Transdermal Dihydrotestosterone Treatment of "Andropause". Bruno de Lignieres. Ann Med 25 235-241, 1993. Here is a quote: "Early stages of prostatic hypertrophy require synergystic stimulation by both DHT and estradiol, and suppressing estradiol instead of DHT seems easier and better adapted to the specific situation of aged hypogonadic men. ...DHT may be considered an attractive alternative to testosterone for long-term treatment of andropause".
I'm just trying to point out that non-aromatizeable compounds like DHT may indeed be much safer than testosterone or other aromatizable androgens, or test plus finasteride for that matter.
Your focus on DHT alone as THE culprit in BPH reflects the general misunderstanding people have about this hormone. First androgen action in the prostate is key, NOT DHT SPECIFICALLY. Secondly, the uncommon genetic disorder you are referring to in which prostate size remains very small throughout adult life bears little relevance to a healthy older athlete using anabolic/androgenic steroid to promote muscle growth.
- Bill Llewellyn
w_llewellyn said:
Considering:
- huge difference in safe dosages (higher dosage=better results);
- multiple ways of promoting muscle growth;
- nice, even temporary effect on sex life;
- nice CNS stimulation;
- cost;
- availability;
- well develloped range of drugs, for side effects;
Test is THE BEST, but that's just mine and thousands others opinion, you don't have to agree...
panerai said:
Are we reading the same thread? The discussion I was having involved the specific roles of DHT and estrogen in the promotion of benign prostatic hypertrophy (BPH) not "What is the best steroid?".
- Bill Llewellyn
I'm sorry, but I got an impression that you are the one who went off track of original subject, which is "Prostate cancer fromTest" meaning eventually, that we are discussing practical application of preventive meds for that particular steroid - Testosteron. But, now, rereading your post, I see, that I was wrong.
Again, sorry, if I misunderstood your post. So, you are suggesting that on a cycle of Test, supplementing with, let's say, Masteron, will prevent any problems with prostate in a future?
Again, sorry, if I misunderstood your post. So, you are suggesting that on a cycle of Test, supplementing with, let's say, Masteron, will prevent any problems with prostate in a future?
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