Prolactin Gyno

[gambit7666]

A lot of the guys on here seem to be convinced that prolactin somehow causes the development of breast tissue in men. Prolactin can increase fat stores, prolactin can decrease T levels, BUT IT CAN NOT cause gyno!

 

[WannaImpress]

Sorry if the question is redundant gambit7666, but is it beneficial to run some bromocriptine along with fina.

 

[Addicted]

It causes milky shiznat...

to come out of my nipples, so something wrong is happening in there

 

[gambit7666]

Addicted, if you are serious, although lactation in men is possible it is rare. maybe you are the exception. anyway lactation is not the same as breast tissue development
WannaImpress I do not see any reason to use bromo along with fina.
GHB is the main culprit in increasing prolactin levels, i do not know if you guys are taking that but bromo will solve the problem, although you will experience sides if you use it with ghb, BAD headaches

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

Sorry if the question is redundant gambit7666, but is it beneficial to run some bromocriptine along with fina.

Yes. Vitex could help too.

 

[LONE_AZ]

You are correct Prolactin does not cause Gyno directly but it will cause it indirectly. Prolactin suppresses natural test production and the estrogen receptors in breast tissue are up regulated in the presence of prolatin so you end up with a low testosterone environment along with up-regulated estrogen receptors. This is the ideal environment for Gyno. So you are wrong and right at the same time.

 

[gambit7666]

gyno is caused by estrogen and progesterone, that is it. i know the whole prolactin thing sounds good on paper, with the whole lowering t therefore raising e thing. but this is missing the point. first off prolactin levels shouldn't be elevated to such a degree in men, if they are, he has problems bigger than prolactin, like an addiction to ghb. point in case, if you are looking to prevent gyno,do so by blocking progesterone and estrogen.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

gyno is caused by estrogen and progesterone, that is it.

this is partially correct but also incorrect..while initiation may be E or P induced (even that is not 100% clear)... there are many aggravating factors of glandular tissue growth.. including prolactin and igf.. as well as a # of growth factors..

 

[gambit7666]

if you can show me one study showing actual tissue growth induced by prolactin, i will be very impressed. high prolactin levels may cause your nipples to itch which most people see as gyno, but that will be the extent of it, they'll just itch. prolactin may cause an increase in breast fat, but this is not the same thing as gyno. gyno is the growth of actual breast tissue, it is fibrous unlike regular fat

 

[busdriver1]

You can develop hard tissue from elevated prolactin levels. i got gyno, hard tissue and fat, last year. As soon as i noticed the lump i went to an endocronologist. They tested my blood for everything known to man. Everything, I mean everything (hormone levels, estogen levels, progesterone, test levels, thyroid, shit anything you can think of) Anyway, the only thing, I mean the only damn thing that was not normal was my prolactin levels. They were 62. Normal range is 2-18. The endo told me that my high prolactin levels were the cause of the lump and the fatty tissue. He has been an endo for 33 years so I didnt argue with him.

 

[NFG123]

ok, this is kindof ridiculous.

People get gyno from deca which has known cross reactivity with the progesterone receptor (PR). The gymo from deca ONLY cycles can be caused by two things:

Estrogen, or nandrolone.

It is known that deca converts at a very low rate to estrogen, and this is not inhibited by blocking the aromatase enzyme, but people still get gyno even in the presence of nolvadex anti e.

So .. its probably caused by prolactin like activity at the PR.

 

[LONE_AZ]

You still have missed the point... Prolactin will mitigate the formation for true Gyncecomastia via up-regulation of the estrogen receptor. Also progesterone does not and will not cause gyno. Progestin will. Progesterone is actually inhibitory to the estrogen receptor. Tren and Deca both raise progestin levels, which in turn lowers progesterone. Again we are talking about an up regulation of the estrogen receptor in the absence of progesterone and in the presence of prolactin. Bottom line….. ALL GYNO is caused by Estrogen either due to excess or up-regulation of the receptor.. This is not theory but fact……

 

[Nathan]

You can develop hard tissue from elevated prolactin levels. i got gyno, hard tissue and fat, last year. As soon as i noticed the lump i went to an endocronologist. They tested my blood for everything known to man. Everything, I mean everything (hormone levels, estogen levels, progesterone, test levels, thyroid, shit anything you can think of) Anyway, the only thing, I mean the only damn thing that was not normal was my prolactin levels. They were 62. Normal range is 2-18. The endo told me that my high prolactin levels were the cause of the lump and the fatty tissue. He has been an endo for 33 years so I didnt argue with him.

What did he tell you to do about the gyno and what did you do?

 

[gambit7666]

lone_az
progestin is nothing more than a synthetic progesterone like hormone. tren does not raise progestin levels and deca does raise progestERONE levels

NFG what the fuck are you talking about?

 

[LONE_AZ]

You are correct about the Deca but with Tren Progestin is elevated and progestin does not have an inhibitory effect on the estrogen receptor like progesterone. With elevated progestin levels of progesterone drop therefor in many cases this will contribute to the up-regulation the estrogen receptor.

You are correct you will not find and medical literature that indicated that prolactin cause ductile cell growth directly.

But you will not find any literature that indicates progesterone cause ductile tissue growth either. It may cause Alveolar tissue growth (Puffy Nipples) but not ductile tissue, which is the hard tissue component of gyno.