Prohormones: The Real Deal

[Bill Llewellyn]

It is not that difficult. If you want to make 4-AD monoEC for instance you just make testosterone EC and then reduce the 3-OH group using a technique which won't attack the ester.

Interesting... Sounds easier than I thought. But of course there would be added expense with this type of thing, and more concern over contamination issues... But glad to hear it can be done if we wanted at least...

- Bill

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Dimethyl? What does he mean by Dimethyl?

Somehow we got to talking about 7,17-dimethylated compounds..

I'm also scratching my head as to why..

- Bill

 

[notpuff]

Interesting... Sounds easier than I thought. But of course there would be added expense with this type of thing, and more concern over contamination issues... But glad to hear it can be done if we wanted at least...

- Bill

why not pay lpj to manufacture it for you, it would cost allot but no impurity issue

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

why not pay lpj to manufacture it for you, it would cost allot but no impurity issue

I don't think they are set up to do esters/ethers, although I'm sure they could easily if they wanted to go after that market. They are pretty busy with their own stuff I'm sure, and Pat knows already that I'd give him the business.

And I don't think they are licensed to manufacture anabolic steroids. I would think Pat would be sitting on a major ass felony if the wrong person walked in during the appropriate step in that process (like 20 kilos of raw testosterone or nandrolone). I wouldn't want to be the one explaining, "but I was going to make it not an illegal substance later this afternoon your honor".

- Bill

 

[pa1ad]

First off thankyou for your response PA i do Respect your work and deem you very knowledgable and innovative but

What animal meant by dimethyl when asked about methy-ph he said the only way to methylate a Ph is by dimethylation same way you can only di-esterfy it (such as di-proprienate) and it was not worth it because he never read anyhting about dimethyl steroids being potent

Juust because something assays out ok doesnt mean it will work for muscle growth in humans

And you even said the reason it never went anywhere because it had a horrible androgenic/anabolic index meaning it sucks for muscle growth and isnt potent ,also you stated it was relativly potent, relativly means not very, the steroids released to market were not relativly potent they were very very potent.

Where can i find your write up on methyl1-test?

1) Animal is wrong. It is very easy to make a 17alpha-methyl prohormone. So quit quoting what animal says. It is incorrect and therefore irrelevant

2) Please learn what androgenic/anabolic index means. It is a RATIO. It is different than absolute activity. YOu can have an extremely potent anabolic with a very poor index.

You can find what i wrote on 1-test on anabolicextreme.com, but I don't think the structures came out on his website

 

[pa1ad]

Interesting... Sounds easier than I thought. But of course there would be added expense with this type of thing, and more concern over contamination issues... But glad to hear it can be done if we wanted at least...

- Bill

contamination should not be that much of an issue, as long as you made sure you carried the 3-keto reduction to completion

 

[pa1ad]

Somehow we got to talking about 7,17-dimethylated compounds..

I'm also scratching my head as to why..

- Bill

I think he means you would have to methylate both the 3 and the 17 positions. Which just shows these guys have no clue about chemical synthesis. It is easy to selectively derivatize a functional group if you know what you are doing

 

[pa1ad]

why not pay lpj to manufacture it for you, it would cost allot but no impurity issue

Unfortunately i don't have the luxury of using testosterone as a starting material. Even if I did our equipment has reached its capacity with other projects

 

[MIKERAZ]

Can you please explain what the anabolic/androgenic ratio is?
And how steroid potency is determined? i was under the impression the steroids released in the market were the most potent

Can you elaborate on the methyl-4ad you kind of contradicted yourself saying first it assayedwell then to relativly well then to it had a horrible idex?

And for bills quesrtion why cant you esterfy 4ad?

I see animal miight not be so acurate, he also said to methylate any ph you must methylate the dione first and theres no guarantee youll get aalpha or beta

 

[MIKERAZ]

I went to anabolicextreme.com didnt see your write up can you post a link