Prohormones: The Real Deal

[Bill Llewellyn]

It is Vida, and it is an author.

Bill -- how did you get a copy?? I am tempted to just steal one from the library and send them a check.

Well SOMEONE, ahem, not mentioning any names, COUGHpatCOUGH, was supposed to get me a copy, but never did.

I was able to get it through inter-library loan at the medical library I go to though. It is a tough book to find. Only 1 publicly accessible library in the NYC area has it (from my looking), and they don’t have damn copy machines for your use of all things. If I didn’t get it through loan I would have had to travel for it.

I'm too honest to keep it though, damn it. I would buy a copy in a second. It's not a huge book however, and probably cheaper to copy anyway.

Note my moral structure does not have room for keeping the book, yet does for copying it on a Xerox machine.

 

[wojo]

why couldn't someone hook us all up and pdf the damn thing like someone did with dan duchaines dirty dieting newsletters?(sorry if i came off harsh damn sleep deprivation)

 

[MIKERAZ]

Actually, 17a-methyl-4-androstenediol was synthesized many years ago. Don't see a LA study on it, but it was considerably less androgenic than MT (VP) if that helps any.

Yes Pat, I finally did get my hands on Vida.

- Bill

Well i would like to hear PA'S take, but using logic methyl-4ad was obviously crappy and not potent or it would have been a pharmaceutical, because they loved to release orals.

Also obviously the reason they never methylated any other PH because after methyl4ad was so bad there was no reason to methylate others

and lastly according to animal in a old post he wrote 2 years ago any PH has to be dimethylated because it can't physically be single methylated and even if somehow it could be it would be incredibly hard and costly to manufacture

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Well i would like to hear PA'S take, but using logic methyl-4ad was obviously crappy and not potent or it would have been a pharmaceutical, because they loved to release orals.

Oh boy, here we go again. I am looking at a book right now with literally hundreds of orally active steroids that were never sold.

Also obviously the reason they never methylated any other PH because after methyl4ad was so bad there was no reason to methylate others

Firstly they were not looked at as methylated prohormones, but other methylated steroids. In the case of Methyl-4-AD it is no doubt significantly more potent than 4-AD because it has a much longer half-life. It is not the most potent steroid in the world, but probably far from terrible. I've never used it so I can't say, but you are certainly not making valid arguments.

and lastly according to animal in a old post he wrote 2 years ago any PH has to be dimethylated because it can't physically be single methylated and even if somehow it could be it would be incredibly hard and costly to manufacture

He was probably talking about di-esterified or di-etherified prohormones, as I would think it very difficult to attach esters or ethers to only one of the two hydroxyl groups on a diol hormone. 4-AD-EC is actually 4-AD-DI-EC. But that looks a little to funny for marketing purposes...

- Bil

 

[MIKERAZ]

But you even said they never lab assayed it ,the reason probably because it was garbage

And someone asked animal specifically about METHYLATED ph he said it has to be dimethylated no other way it would work, and methylatylating anythign is very hard and expensive

didthey ever methylate nordiol or 1-test?

 

[notpuff]

But you even said they never lab assayed it ,the reason probably because it was garbage

And someone asked animal specifically about METHYLATED ph he said it has to be dimethylated no other way it would work, and methylatylating anythign is very hard and expensive

didthey ever methylate nordiol or 1-test?

i love it when mikeraz throws ouit shit and then gets beaten by bill and pa its more entertaining then Survivor

but on a serious note bill on top yo mentioned that methyl4ad assayed out significantly less androgenic then mt isnt that similar to how dbol assayed out?

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

i love it when mikeraz throws ouit shit and then gets beaten by bill and pa its more entertaining then Survivor

but on a serious note bill on top yo mentioned that methyl4ad assayed out significantly less androgenic then mt isnt that similar to how dbol assayed out?

Yes. Unfortunately with this compound they didn't have a LA reference. But you'd think it likely less active than methyltest as an anabolic, but more active than testosterone MG. for MG. judging by strong intrinsic potency of 4-AD already.

 

[notpuff]

wonder why they never lab assayed it , any chance maybe they did but didnt publish

i would think it might be more anabolic them MT cause regular 4ad is more androgenic then test and less anabolic maybe methy4ad is the reverse more anabolic less androgenic
liek d-bol assayed to against mt

did they ever methylate any other PH ?

 

[MIKERAZ]

i love it when mikeraz throws ouit shit and then gets beaten by bill and pa its more entertaining then Survivor

but on a serious note bill on top yo mentioned that methyl4ad assayed out significantly less androgenic then mt isnt that similar to how dbol assayed out?

I think you mean throws OUT shit ,learn to spell moron, and how is what im saying shit??
Because im using logical reasonings to ask valid questions its shit?
And speaking of shit how in the world could you compare 17a-methyl-4ad to dbol? dbol is one of the best anabolics ever created while the latter wasnt even assayed which by the way theres a reason for.

And either way methyl4ad would probably suck anyway methyltest sucks in humans so its presecuer would to.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

And either way methyl4ad would probably suck anyway methyltest sucks in humans so its presecuer would to.

Actually its probably not all that bad Mikeraz. It has a better anabolic to andorgenic ratio than MethyT I'm sure, no direct aromatization, and probably a good amount of overal activity. Its value would not be as a prohormone to methyltest, but an anabolic steroid in its own right.

I'd take it over Methyl T.

- Bill