Prohormones don't work

[vikingspiderman]

okay,
i'm sorry i haven't kept up with the journal daily like i said I would, but my power supply on my computer got fried and i haven't been able to. I have maintained my initial plan, except i lowered the workout regimen. After a month of using this shit, ( 1-ad) I must advise anyone and everyone in the world against it. I have made small gains, about a pound of musle but the other nine pounds has gone straight to my gut. I have to get some clomid cause my nuts have shrunk and I have had no sex drive for two weeks.... my wife is pissed and I'm discontinuing use immediately. I can't justify the money for the undisireable fat gains. I still have a meeting with the label as soon as I get my demo made and I have tried buffin up with over the counter methods. In short, I have taken advice, it hasn't worked, now i'm goin all out. Thanx to everybody that offered their opinions and insight on this matter i really appreciate it and have learned alot from these discussion boards. see you guys around if my pc don't crash again.

 

[Frackal]

Prohormones dont work? Shit this is breaking news.... j/k man ... might want to post this in the supp. forum. Here we use real gear

 

[Nutri-Wrestler]

okay,
i'm sorry i haven't kept up with the journal daily like i said I would, but my power supply on my computer got fried and i haven't been able to. I have maintained my initial plan, except i lowered the workout regimen. After a month of using this shit, ( 1-ad) I must advise anyone and everyone in the world against it. I have made small gains, about a pound of musle but the other nine pounds has gone straight to my gut. I have to get some clomid cause my nuts have shrunk and I have had no sex drive for two weeks.... my wife is pissed and I'm discontinuing use immediately. I can't justify the money for the undisireable fat gains. I still have a meeting with the label as soon as I get my demo made and I have tried buffin up with over the counter methods. In short, I have taken advice, it hasn't worked, now i'm goin all out. Thanx to everybody that offered their opinions and insight on this matter i really appreciate it and have learned alot from these discussion boards. see you guys around if my pc don't crash again.

worked for me.....

 

[biggerdave]

i gained 23 pounds and kept 18 off my first ph stack many moons ago.

 

[Jimsbbc]

That's about the time a purple rhinoceros ran out of my ass and speared Bill Clinton in the dick! I wouldn't waste money on scams like prohormones when there is real stuff that works well and is safe. It's called steroids. Get the real thing.

 

[Lao Tzu]

steroids are chemically altered forms of testosterone, as normal test is broken down by the body way to fast to serve any useful purpose for bodybuilding. taking prohormones and expecting to gain muslce is like fighting a war with no weapons & expecting to win, you will be destroyed before you have a chance to do anything.


out of curiosity, what would happen if you did a pyramid stack before you worked out? (this would take unlimited funds btw).

i.e., you would take 300 mg 30 mins b4 working out, 300 mg 20 min before, 300 mg 10 min before, etc. for about an hour or two. You would also take a strong aromataze inhibitor & clomid. What would happen? Would you get any gains?

 

[drrman]

no shit

 

[Nelson Montana]

I must say, I'm surprised by everyones response. When I brought this up a while back I was mobbed with derision by the Pat Arnold fan club.

Viking: You're 100% correct about everything except one thing. That was 9 pounds of fat and one pound of WATER.

I also think it's funny that the people who make this stuff will cite 50 billion references on how it can't shut down the HPTA or aromatize or affect libido. But it does -- far worse than real gear.

It's criminal to use steroids but selling this stuff isn't. Go figure.

 

[Nutri-Wrestler]

wow, shit. i guess all that weight i gained on my Ph stack was water and fat. damn, thats kinda weird since i put on the weight and kept the weight and REMAINED LEAN!

just curious, how many of yall have actually tried 1-ad and boldione?

dont believe me on the gains i made? oh well, i dont care. i know what i did and thats all that matters. dont get me wrong, i think they are expensive as hell and they do have a lot of nasty sides (some worse than real juice) but just b/c it is a supplement doesnt mean they dont work.

i personally wll only go back to PH's if i have to. but, there is no doubt in my mind that they work as long as you have and IQ higher than your age.

I know they dont work for some, but they do work for others.

 

[RussianBro]

ah-hh-hhhh, good ol prohormone times when I spent thousands on shit that did some benefit and some major damage to my body...

I truly thank God I grew out of prohormones... They should be banned all together... but there is too much lobbying going on by supplements companies... The prohormones are listed as food supplements and cannot be strongly enforced and regulated by FDA... Very sad...

 

[bigpimp]

damn, really bro......all this time i thought they worked........thanks for the heads up

 

[sereneman]

19 nor4 andriol definitely worked for me and it also lowered my testosterone levels well below normal because I had it checked. I was on it for 16 months straight when I stated to notice that I was having a hard time cumming and staying aroused. The stuff made me strong as shit. I know it worked because I have been lifting for 24 years. I've been taking low doses of test. now for about 17 weeks and there's really not much difference than when I was on 19nor4. I tried the 1ad and it didn't work as well for me. It lowered my sex drive almost immediately.

 

[muslix]

correct me if I'm wrong but 1-ad makes you bigger because of the extra estrogen it puts in your system making you hold a lot more water. 1test would work better for lean gains but then again it still sucks.

 

[Nutri-Wrestler]

correct me if I'm wrong but 1-ad makes you bigger because of the extra estrogen it puts in your system making you hold a lot more water. 1test would work better for lean gains but then again it still sucks.

Ok, ill correct you cause you are wrong. it doesnt aromatize to estrogen.

BTW- 1-ad is a precursor to 1-Test and is more oraly bioavailable.

 

[Simon Keller]

Pro-Hormones don't work? 1-AD and 1-Test don't work? Sh*t we're doing this again, OK, OK, I'll play along; Yea man, I know what you mean, they don't work, and creatine that stuff is garbage, and when you think about it who really needs protein I think that stuff is highly over-rated!!! This is really sad

 

[pa1ad]

I must say, I'm surprised by everyones response. When I brought this up a while back I was mobbed with derision by the Pat Arnold fan club.

Viking: You're 100% correct about everything except one thing. That was 9 pounds of fat and one pound of WATER.

I also think it's funny that the people who make this stuff will cite 50 billion references on how it can't shut down the HPTA or aromatize or affect libido. But it does -- far worse than real gear.

It's criminal to use steroids but selling this stuff isn't. Go figure.

Your stupidity is what is criminal.

 

[Dante B.]

Nelson, you continue to beat this bush just as often as a hirsute woman shaving her bikini-line.

However, I can manage to pull the noose from around my neck for but a few, if you want to argue this nonsense once again.

As for the other non-cerebral degenerates hurling verbal- excrement, you're not worth the time (hint, at least Nelson's a good writer, you're just flat-out troglodytes "the FDA should ban them", "all the side-effects with none the benefit". Yawn. If you're going to say something stupid, at least be creative!).

 

[40butpumpin]

I think I'm somewhat in the minority in that I've actually spent a decent amount of time with BOTH PH's and actual AS. I don't give a shit about either argument to be perfectly honest and I really don't care who believes me. I know for a fact that PH's do work -- and I know because they worked for me. On the up side they won't give you the bullshit bloated water gains that lot's of test or dbol will give you but on the downside you can be shut down harder then on the real thing. My only advice to someone using PH's is that you have to approach the recovery aspect like you would the real thing. If you don't you're going to be unpleasantly surprised. I'm talking about things like a good anti-e and HCG. $0.02

 

[javaguru]

No offense but just because you took 200mg androstenedione capsules 3x per day in 1996 and they didn't give you 20lbs in eight weeks, most likely they did nothing, doesn't mean the latest generation of OTC steroids are crap. The vast majority of people get excellent results from the latest generation. Likewise, using "real" steroids carries more risk than many of you realize. Using the dosages common today one can easily get a statuatory bump to distribution and end up be sentenced to a MINIMUM of five years in prison. I've seen a statuatory bump at greater than 50ml. If you're running 75mg TA everyday for eight weeks and it's dosed at 75mg/ml you're already considered a dealer by statute before factoring in the 500mg/week of test you're running. Some people have good lives they would rather not risk screwing up by becoming a convicted felon.

 

[feelin_kinda_saucey]

No offense but just because you took 200mg androstenedione capsules 3x per day in 1996 and they didn't give you 20lbs in eight weeks, most likely they did nothing, doesn't mean the latest generation of OTC steroids are crap. The vast majority of people get excellent results from the latest generation. Likewise, using "real" steroids carries more risk than many of you realize. Using the dosages common today one can easily get a statuatory bump to distribution and end up be sentenced to a MINIMUM of five years in prison. I've seen a statuatory bump at greater than 50ml. If you're running 75mg TA everyday for eight weeks and it's dosed at 75mg/ml you're already considered a dealer by statute before factoring in the 500mg/week of test you're running. Some people have good lives they would rather not risk screwing up by becoming a convicted felon.

GOOD FUCKIN POST. ITS ABOUT MOTHERFUCKIN TIME SOMEBODY BROUGHT THIS "SIDE EFFECT" UP.... NOT TO MENTION THE THOUSANDS OF OTHER TINY SIDE EFFECTS YOU DONT SEE CREAPING UP ON YOU TILL THEY HAVE HIT, AND I KNOW THIS FROM FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE.... JUST GO TO THE ANABOLICS BOARD AND 1 OUT OF 5 POSTS WILL BE SOMEBODY HAVING WHAT THEY ( A DRUG USER) CALLS A PROBLEM, ANE WHAT DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS CALL A SIDE EFFECT....YES THERE ARE SIDE EFFECTS WITH BOTH PH'S AND REAL GEAR, BUT WE ARE OFTEN BLINDED BY WHAT IT DOES FOR US ON A POSITIVE NOTE...

ANYWAYS, THE LATEST PH'S DO WORK , AND WORK WELL. OBVIOUSLY NOT AS WELL AS LEGIT GEAR, BUT WELL ENOUGH CONSIDERING SOME SIDE EFFECTS THEY DONT CARRY WITH THEM. AND LIKE ANYTHING PH'S OR GEAR, IF YOUR DIET AND TRAINING IS NOT RIGHT ON WHILE YOU ARE ON THEM , YOUR RESULTS ARE GOING TO BE POOR NO MATTER WHAT YOUR USING .

 

[lbm4life]

That's about the time a purple rhinoceros ran out of my ass and speared Bill Clinton in the dick! I wouldn't waste money on scams like prohormones when there is real stuff that works well and is safe. It's called steroids. Get the real thing.

This is why Elite is considered a joke. Keep preaching stupidity bro!


Friggin idiot.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Dante: Not for nothing, I didn't start this thread. I just voiced my opinion along with others. Last I heard, that was allowed.

pa1ad. You believe that anyone who doesn't know what you know is stupid, yet you're clueless about so many other things it's mindboggling.

Get your head out of your ass pa1ad. You're fucking with peoples hormones. Or is your hardon just too big to even care? Many, many people are having adverse effects. You've released several products which have been proven to be crap and everyone is supposed to forget that because now you have one that is (supposedly) better.

But, everybody is entitled to their opinion -- or delusion.

 

[pa1ad]

Dante: Not for nothing, I didn't start this thread. I just voiced my opinion along with others. Last I heard, that was allowed.

pa1ad. You believe that anyone who doesn't know what you know is stupid, yet you're clueless about so many other things it's mindboggling.

Get your head out of your ass pa1ad. You're fucking with peoples hormones. Or is your hardon just too big to even care? Many, many people are having adverse effects. You've released several products which have been proven to be crap and everyone is supposed to forget that because now you have one that is (supposedly) better.

But, everybody is entitled to their opinion -- or delusion.

Coming from someone who has contributed absolutely nothing to the industry, except half-wit articles that are full of mistakes and criticisms of those in the industry that actually have the brains and motivation to be creative, these words are completely without impact

Yeah, my earlier prohormones were not nearly as effective as the current ones. Well, forgive me for trying and for constantly work to improve I guess. Losers like you spend their lives just attacking others acheivements cuz, well, thats all their little brains are capable of!!

 

[Dante B.]

Dante: Not for nothing, I didn't start this thread. I just voiced my opinion along with others. Last I heard, that was allowed.
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Yes, and logic, not prattle-about screed should stand as the hold of one's voice.

For every opinion there should be a reason, willing should one be to defend it.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Dante: "Screed" Great word -- seldom heard and most appreciated. And yes, I have reason for my opinions and am willing to defend them.

pa1ad. What can I say to someone with such myopia, such self grandeur, such smug elitist affectation? Well, I'll try.

You may think I've contributed nothing, but others may disagree with you. Those others include Dave Draper, Dr. Eric Serrano, Dennis Weis, Rick Collins and Charles Poliquin as well as thousands of people who have read my work and enjoyed it. Now I don't claim to be doing anything magnificent. I'm just a writer with a point of view -- one which some may appreciate, while others won't. Bodybuilding is something I love but it's only a part of my life. Let's not take ourselves too seriously. It's just lifting weights. Nobody here is curing cancer.

In spite of what you erroneously conclude, I have better things to do than arbitrarily criticize people's work. But I will call it as I see it.

Your new products are more effective than your old ones? Perhaps. But your old ones were very effective -- at raising estrogen. What about all the people who had their hormonal balance disrupted because of your lttle science experiments? What do you say to them pa1ad?

You see nobility in that you're trying to improve. I applaud that. I too try to improve. But of course, that doesn't matter. It's all about you, isn't it?

So deride and lambast and hurl your infantile insults. They mean nothing to me. Such witless accusations are the sign of a disgruntled spirit and a weak mind. You see pa1ad, life isn't only about how much you know about one area of chemistry. It's much, much more. Someday you may realize that. At least I hope so for your sake.

Peace.

 

[Nelson Montana]

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[pa1ad]

Dante: "Screed" Great word -- seldom heard and most appreciated. And yes, I have reason for my opinions and am willing to defend them.

pa1ad. What can I say to someone with such myopia, such self grandeur, such smug elitist affectation?

If you ask the people in this industry that actually KNOW me, they would tell you that i am one of the most down to earth, nonself-absorbed dudes in the industry. You must be confusing me with your old boss out there in the Rockies

I am only smug on the internet, when I deal with jack assess that confront me. Everyone needs a relief valve

 

[pa1ad]

You see pa1ad, life isn't only about how much you know about one area of chemistry. It's much, much more. Someday you may realize that. At least I hope so for your sake.

Peace.

Yes Nelson, outside of chemisty my life is a virtual wasteland. I am ugly, I have no physique, girls hate me, and I can't drive worth shit. I stutter, and I drool, and I have a chronic flatulence condition.

If only *I* could be such a well rounded and adored renaissance man such as yourself.....

 

[eastarr69]

I think the problems with your gains were the following:

Not lifting enough...
Improper training....
To much lifting of double quarter pounders....
Not enough rest...
You got an ugly ol' lady...

As of right now, what I am taking works for me...anything with proper training and diet will work...next you'll say there is no need for protein and carbs....

Uneducation is no excuse for no gains. If you did 6 weeks of water (H20) and worked out correctly, you would have excellent gains...so, if you got nothing from any supplement, you have no clue on how to exercise...

Even with AS you have to work out correctly for them to work as they are intended to do.

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