ProHormones: Convince me they're worth it instead of AAS

[dabuffguy]

My experience with PH was back in the day prior to the first ban… In the day of M1T and even as far back as the Original “Hot Stuff”…. I used it all brotha!!! I cycled with them for about 3 years.. I was pissed as hell after I stepped to the dark side and learned that 500mg of Test E gave a brotha significantly more gains than several PH compounds stacked together….

The other troubling thing about PH’s in general is MOST do nothing in regards to recommending or providing PCT.. They just tell ya to take these pills and it will raise your Test levels and you will be HUGE… Got to love marketing……. The poor guy using them ends up shut down and wondering why he didn’t maintain his “gains”

Tao

Therein lies the problem. Not using PCT.

If all you are trying to do is measure the effectiveness of an over the counter supplement verse an oral AAS for a period of 4-6weeks and that is the only compound you will take I still would choose an AAS over a PH any day.

Since some of them are actually oral AAS, and not a PH, they DO provide the gains.

Like I said in my earlier post in this thread, saying that some of these aren't "the real deal" is truly ignorant, because they are very much so in every sense of the word, a legitimate anabolic steroid, and not a Pro-hormone. There's a big difference and the gains also are a big difference.

 

[taoiron]

Therein lies the problem. Not using PCT.




Since some of them are actually oral AAS, and not a PH, they DO provide the gains.

some of these aren't "the real deal" is truly ignorant, because they are very much so in every sense of the word, a legitimate anabolic steroid.

Please give me an example of one that is a true AAS… Are they still bug and plant hormones or synthetic forms of the hormone?

 

[dabuffguy]

Please give me an example of one that is a true AAS… Are they still bug and plant hormones or synthetic forms of the hormone?

I have explained this in lots of threads, but I will do it again.


Take beastdrol for example(superdrol).



What is Beastdrol?


Beastdrol is a true a anabolic steroid. It originally hit the market known as Superdrol, which has been discontinued due to pressure from the FDA. It is NOT a pro-hormone. It is a derivate of dihydrotestosterone. More specifically, it is a methylated version (for oral bioavailability) of the anabolic steroid Masteron.

Here is the chemical structure of Masteron:

2 alpha, methyl-17B-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one


Beastdrol

2 alpha, 17a-Dimethyl-17B-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one


Clearly, the only difference here is the 17a-methyl addition to the structure to make it orally bio-available.


Equally, if you apply that same 17aa to Equipoise (EQ), you get DBOL:


Equipoise 17 beta hydroxy-1,4-androstadiene-3-one

Dbol...... 17 beta-hydroxy-17alpha-methyl-1,4-androstadiene-3-one






So, very clearly, Beastdrol shares the exact same relationship to masteron that Dbol does to EQ. It also can be viewed as a 2-hydroxy reduced form of Anadrol.


There is no way to ever consider this anything but a legitimate methylated oral aas.


Also, a PH requires conversion to an active compound inside the body with interaction from a catalyst. Conversions result in low amounts of active compounds, more side effects and less results.


Steroids do not require conversion because they are already active compounds, produce real big results and side effects are typical depending on whether it is a test, nandro or DHT derivative.



Hope this clears that up.

 

[taoiron]

I have explained this in lots of threads, but I will do it again.


Take beastdrol for example(superdrol).



What is Beastdrol?


Beastdrol is a true a anabolic steroid. It originally hit the market known as Superdrol, which has been discontinued due to pressure from the FDA. It is NOT a pro-hormone. It is a derivate of dihydrotestosterone. More specifically, it is a methylated version (for oral bioavailability) of the anabolic steroid Masteron.

Here is the chemical structure of Masteron:

2 alpha, methyl-17B-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one


Beastdrol

2 alpha, 17a-Dimethyl-17B-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one


Clearly, the only difference here is the 17a-methyl addition to the structure to make it orally bio-available.


Equally, if you apply that same 17aa to Equipoise (EQ), you get DBOL:


Equipoise 17 beta hydroxy-1,4-androstadiene-3-one

Dbol...... 17 beta-hydroxy-17alpha-methyl-1,4-androstadiene-3-one






So, very clearly, Beastdrol shares the exact same relationship to masteron that Dbol does to EQ. It also can be viewed as a 2-hydroxy reduced form of Anadrol.


There is no way to ever consider this anything but a legitimate methylated oral aas.


Also, a PH requires conversion to an active compound inside the body with interaction from a catalyst. Conversions result in low amounts of active compounds, more side effects and less results.


Steroids do not require conversion because they are already active compounds, produce real big results and side effects are typical depending on whether it is a test, nandro or DHT derivative.



Hope this clears that up.

It does... Thanks for the info.

Respect,

Tao

 

[mavox]

i hear 1 t-tren does the job after a few weeks

 

[dabuffguy]

It does... Thanks for the info.

Respect,

Tao

In regards to your comment about bug or plant hormones, I assume you are referring to the hormone ecdysterone that came out a few years ago that was "promising".

That stuff has never been proven to do anything. I am not convinced in the least it has any effect. Some studies suggest it has absolutely zero effect on human anabolism. Garbage if you ask me.

 

[Nelson Montana]

In regards to your comment about bug or plant hormones, I assume you are referring to the hormone ecdysterone that came out a few years ago that was "promising".

That stuff has never been proven to do anything. I am not convinced in the least it has any effect. Some studies suggest it has absolutely zero effect on human anabolism. Garbage if you ask me.

That stuff has been around since the 80's. It resurfaces every now and then and I don;t know why. Nice idea, but it's absolutely worthless.

 

[WinnyPumps]

I nkow the gains are dry compared to dbol which is great!
Realistically how are the strength gains compared to dbol??

 

[dabuffguy]

I nkow the gains are dry compared to dbol which is great!
Realistically how are the strength gains compared to dbol??

I get better strength than dbol with the beast, but I get more strength with anadrol than with the beast.

I used the good old green BD 50mg and there is nothing that compares in terms of brute power.

 

[WinnyPumps]

I get better strength than dbol with the beast, but I get more strength with anadrol than with the beast.

I used the good old green BD 50mg and there is nothing that compares in terms of brute power.

I'm pretty pumped about it but won't be starting for a while unfortunately. Probably 6-8 weeks or maybe a little less.
How many pills should I take a day. It's says 3 but can I do 4??