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van_wilder said:
hmmm...i guess it's possible... any ideas as to why I would be?
VW


what cycles did you run?? how much and when??? what was your diet like???? pct??? etc.. some people just do.....it may be your body's response being pissed that you are like 200 lbs now instead of 130 like you said you were......

You have done very well though bro....
 
will b huge said:
what cycles did you run?? how much and when??? what was your diet like???? pct??? etc.. some people just do.....it may be your body's response being pissed that you are like 200 lbs now instead of 130 like you said you were......

You have done very well though bro....

Never have tried anything other than Creatine(which I haven't taken in a month or so). Like I said, I'm natural so that's why I'm a little nervous about losing too much size trying to shed some body fat before i start my first cycle.
Here's the most recent version of my diet... any suggestions are welcome!!!!!!

8:00am
6 egg whites
2 whole eggs
1 cup of oatmeal soaked in Lactase Milk
1 cup of green beans

10:30
375g cottage cheese
125g of Fiber 1
1 scoop natty PB

12:30
50g Casien pro
1 tablespoon UDO’s oil

3:00
10-12oz of Chicken Breast
1 cup of green beans
1 scoop natty PB

5:00
40g Casien pro
1 scoop of natty PB

7:00
300g of Chicken Breast
1 cup brown rice or medium sized sweet potato/yam

8:00 Train
PW 50g pro + 25g dextrose + ½ cup oats

10:00pm
300g chicken/lean meat
1 cup green beans/broccoli/brussel sprouts

11:00pm
Casein shake with tablespoon PB (or cottage cheese)

VW
 
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van_wilder said:
Never have tried anything other than Creatine(which I haven't taken in a month or so). Like I said, I'm natural so that's why I'm a little nervous about losing too much size trying to shed some body fat before i start my first cycle.
Here's my diet... any suggestions are welcome!!!!!!

8:00am
6 egg whites
2 whole eggs
1 cup of oatmeal soaked in Lactase Milk
1 cup of green beans

10:30
375g cottage cheese
125g of Fiber 1
1 scoop natty PB

12:30
50g Casien pro
1 tablespoon UDO’s oil

3:00
10-12oz of Chicken Breast
1 cup of green beans
1 scoop natty PB

5:00
40g Casien pro
1 scoop of natty PB

7:00
300g of Chicken Breast
1 cup brown rice or medium sized sweet potato/yam

8:00 Train
PW 50g pro + 25g dextrose + ½ cup oats

10:00pm
300g chicken/lean meat
1 cup green beans/broccoli/brussel sprouts

11:00pm
Casein shake with tablespoon PB (or cottage cheese)

VW



Nevermind then, I missed that bro......You have done freakin incredible then....you went from 132 to what you are now===all natural too....WOW....Creatine can make you hold water in the muscles...but creatine usually wears off after using for awhile too.......

I guess maybe its just a little bodyfat.....(personally, i thought for your upper abs to start showing like they are, that your chest would look a little leaner than it does...that is all......)

Stay natural until you can no longer make any gains, then explore your other options----you have been very smart about all of this and congratulations to you bro........looking very good......(Your diet looks good, but you dont do that year round do you??? Also, how old are you??? (you probably already mentioned that too).....You implemented other options into your diet right??? like Tuna, fish, turkey, lean red meat even.....etc...etc..
 
will b huge said:
Nevermind then, I missed that bro......You have done freakin incredible then....you went from 132 to what you are now===all natural too....WOW....Creatine can make you hold water in the muscles...but creatine usually wears off after using for awhile too.......

I guess maybe its just a little bodyfat.....(personally, i thought for your upper abs to start showing like they are, that your chest would look a little leaner than it does...that is all......)

Stay natural until you can no longer make any gains, then explore your other options----you have been very smart about all of this and congratulations to you bro........looking very good......(Your diet looks good, but you dont do that year round do you??? Also, how old are you??? (you probably already mentioned that too).....You implemented other options into your diet right??? like Tuna, fish, turkey, lean red meat even.....etc...etc..

THanks for the complement bro...
It's been a hell of a frustrating road watching everyone around me juice after joining the gym for a couple of weeks and actually blow up! but it's all worth it once they come off and shrink back down....
ummm...the diet no... I've always tried to eat fairly clean although a bit more pasta, sometimes some Jane's Breaded Chicken Breast and I'll admit to the ocassional late night ice cream binge...LOL...I don't really implement other options in my diet... as I find because of my hectic schedule I have to keep it simple. Don't have time to add variety... and I can't stand Tuna! What would be so wrong with eating like that year round?
I'm 24 now, but b/w my job and finishing my degree my life has been crazy and the lack of sleep I feel has been my biggest obstacle to making gains.
VW
 
I'm 24 now, but b/w my job and finishing my degree my life has been crazy and the lack of sleep I feel has been my biggest obstacle to making gains.
VW[/QUOTE]

All of the above will hold you back a little, or in the case of lack of sleep, a lot.
I can see your definition coming out quite clearly and for an all natural thats excellent work. I'm ofcourse gonna recommend 6 months of GH and you'll be cut and keep/increase your size, but then I'm biased.. :) Good luck bro and those guns look sick...
Cheers
Ed
 
Johnny bloats alot!!! Yo u got the size bro but we need to get the water off ya. Quadsweeps sister got ya on the right diet but we need to focus on getting the water off and increasing the density in your muscle bellies. Oh yeah your only two weeks in so maybe I'm being a little hard on you but I think some growth and clen might just come in handy over the next several weeks. HMMMMMMM.......... :verygood:
 
Slydog said:
Johnny bloats alot!!! Yo u got the size bro but we need to get the water off ya. Quadsweeps sister got ya on the right diet but we need to focus on getting the water off and increasing the density in your muscle bellies. Oh yeah your only two weeks in so maybe I'm being a little hard on you but I think some growth and clen might just come in handy over the next several weeks. HMMMMMMM.......... :verygood:

Really??? growth and clen? i thought growth was for experienced users... and aren't I a bit too young still?
 
van_wilder said:
Really??? growth and clen? i thought growth was for experienced users... and aren't I a bit too young still?

growth is for very experienced users, ie, huge competitive sized bodybuilders that have trouble gaining more size with steroids alone, if I dont need it, trust me, you dont, not worth the cash

Looks like you have everything pretty much in check. I did have some suggestions on diet, but others have pretty much taken care of that, ie, no bread, go with potatoes or oatmeal. I would also probably replace the cottage cheese with tuna, but thats just me.
I kinda skimmed, so I didnt see, are you doing cardio? If so, it is twice as effective if split up into two sessions, ie, instead of doing 40 minutes, do 20 twice, your metabolism stays elevated after exercise, so this way it stays up twice as long. My trainer has me doing 35 minutes 2x daily
 
needsize said:
growth is for very experienced users, ie, huge competitive sized bodybuilders that have trouble gaining more size with steroids alone, if I dont need it, trust me, you dont, not worth the cash

Looks like you have everything pretty much in check. I did have some suggestions on diet, but others have pretty much taken care of that, ie, no bread, go with potatoes or oatmeal. I would also probably replace the cottage cheese with tuna, but thats just me.
I kinda skimmed, so I didnt see, are you doing cardio? If so, it is twice as effective if split up into two sessions, ie, instead of doing 40 minutes, do 20 twice, your metabolism stays elevated after exercise, so this way it stays up twice as long. My trainer has me doing 35 minutes 2x daily

Yep cardio first thing in the morning (4-5 days a week) 45-60min of brisk walk, and cardio post workout 20min on the stairmill. Is this ok? also, any other supplements I should be taking? I think I may try the Levorex... considering i'm not on anything do you think that's ok or do you think it will catabolize too much muscle?
VW
 
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