Prison Lifting: For or Against?

[jubei]

I think there are too many young, angry children on here. Laws and penalties are based on the values of the society as a whole. Obviously if everyone felt the same way as many people on this board we would be executing criminals left and right, and cutting the hands from 12 year old shoplifters.

But then who would decide who is to die? Should it be you? What gives anyone the right to decide its time for another person to die? Then there is the 3rd world justice system argument. I am embarrassed for you bro, I can't belive anyone would be that moronic. If you had any idea how corrupt the "justice" system is in places like India or Iran or what its like to live in constant fear you would rethink your posisiton. Recently a man killed his wife in India and bribed the police with a cow. Great system, sign me up. Women should probably be considered property while your at it, going with the 3rd world theme.

Alot of criminals have been show to have terrible childhoods, and maybe got beaten or raped themselves as children. Also keep in mind that even a convicted rapist or murderer is likely to re-join society at some time. Why not treat these people with decency and god forbid give them and education so when they are free they feel like they have other options than to go back to crime.

Remember that while incarcerated the loss of freedom is the punishment not loss of all human rights.

 

[halfaclue]

I think there are too many young, angry children on here. Laws and penalties are based on the values of the society as a whole. Obviously if everyone felt the same way as many people on this board we would be executing criminals left and right, and cutting the hands from 12 year old shoplifters.

But then who would decide who is to die? Should it be you? What gives anyone the right to decide its time for another person to die? Then there is the 3rd world justice system argument. I am embarrassed for you bro, I can't belive anyone would be that moronic. If you had any idea how corrupt the "justice" system is in places like India or Iran or what its like to live in constant fear you would rethink your posisiton. Recently a man killed his wife in India and bribed the police with a cow. Great system, sign me up. Women should probably be considered property while your at it, going with the 3rd world theme.

Alot of criminals have been show to have terrible childhoods, and maybe got beaten or raped themselves as children. Also keep in mind that even a convicted rapist or murderer is likely to re-join society at some time. Why not treat these people with decency and god forbid give them and education so when they are free they feel like they have other options than to go back to crime.

Remember that while incarcerated the loss of freedom is the punishment not loss of all human rights. [/QUOTE

Now unlike gear and chemistry...I did go to college for Public Justice so I feel confident hen I say this. 90% of all crime in the us is committed by the same 10% of society. That means that these rapists don't get out of prision and grab a job a dennys and work there way up to middlemanagement. They want and take and break laws to get it. Educating prisioners has been going on for over a decade and re-occurance rates are moving along with the population of the prisions systems. That method HAS BEEN tried. I'm not saying cut off the hand of 12 yesr old shop lifter but yes I believe in castrating a rapist and killing a murderer. We not talking about killing a guy who embazles money or steals cars, we are talking about a person who decide it was time to end someone else life...that very second they gave up the right to choose if they live or die. Jubei if you want to volunteer at a prision and try to re-hab criminals..more power to you and I don't think that the program should end because some people change....but come on...you want a rapist working at a bar? Do you want a murderer cleaning schools? There aren't many jobs for people that are convicted felons.

 

[Bulldog_10]

rapists and murderers should never get out of prison. And if the crime is bad enough, sure...kill them. Why does anyone care about someone who killed another person? Yeah, great...maybe some of them had bad childhoods, that excuse is getting pretty old. Guess what, if we started treating rapists and murderers like they should be treated, these kids wouldn't be having bad childhoods, cuz their parents would be the ones in prison.

 

[jubei]

Do you want a murderer cleaning schools? There aren't many jobs for people that are convicted felons

To answer your question, I would rather them tending bar and cleaning schools than murdering and raping. Although your choice of occupation for a murderer could be a little bit better than placing him around children. Actually what am I thinking US schools already have their own rapists and murderers, its the students.

You claim to be an expert on the justice system...how many times do women accuse men of rape and end up losing the case or dropping the charges. I sure hope they haven't cut his dick off yet. How many times has DNA admonished a rapist or murderer in the past 10 years. What are you gonna say to those people? Oops sorry about your dick, or if he's been executed? Sorry about your husband/father we made a mistake. So next time you go out and have sex, make sure you bring a tape recorded and get legal consent in writing or you just might get your dick chopped if the girl's mental or lying about her age. Of course girls nowadays never do that.

Since your the numbers man, please back them up. You said 90 percent of crime is committed by the same 10 percent of the population...prove it. Also find out how many of those criminals were themselves abused and or neglected from childhood or grew up in poverty.

 

[Bulldog_10]

To answer your question, I would rather them tending bar and cleaning schools than murdering and raping. Although your choice of occupation for a murderer could be a little bit better than placing him around children. Actually what am I thinking US schools already have their own rapists and murderers, its the students.

You claim to be an expert on the justice system...how many times do women accuse men of rape and end up losing the case or dropping the charges. I sure hope they haven't cut his dick off yet. How many times has DNA admonished a rapist or murderer in the past 10 years. What are you gonna say to those people? Oops sorry about your dick, or if he's been executed? Sorry about your husband/father we made a mistake. So next time you go out and have sex, make sure you bring a tape recorded and get legal consent in writing or you just might get your dick chopped if the girl's mental or lying about her age. Of course girls nowadays never do that.

Since your the numbers man, please back them up. You said 90 percent of crime is committed by the same 10 percent of the population...prove it. Also find out how many of those criminals were themselves abused and or neglected from childhood or grew up in poverty.

Of course there are the wrongly accused...and i dont think he was saying cut all their dicks off, or kill them all. But if it's proven, no doubt about it (OJ) then yes, there need to be stricter penalties.

 

[halfaclue]

To answer your question, I would rather them tending bar and cleaning schools than murdering and raping. Although your choice of occupation for a murderer could be a little bit better than placing him around children. Actually what am I thinking US schools already have their own rapists and murderers, its the students.

You claim to be an expert on the justice system...how many times do women accuse men of rape and end up losing the case or dropping the charges. I sure hope they haven't cut his dick off yet. How many times has DNA admonished a rapist or murderer in the past 10 years. What are you gonna say to those people? Oops sorry about your dick, or if he's been executed? Sorry about your husband/father we made a mistake. So next time you go out and have sex, make sure you bring a tape recorded and get legal consent in writing or you just might get your dick chopped if the girl's mental or lying about her age. Of course girls nowadays never do that.

Since your the numbers man, please back them up. You said 90 percent of crime is committed by the same 10 percent of the population...prove it. Also find out how many of those criminals were themselves abused and or neglected from childhood or grew up in poverty.

Visit the Fed gov site and you view hours of visual pleasure concerning statistics of criminals by state or by the US overall. Again to agree with bull-dog and I hate doing that, who cares if they were abused as a childhood.

Little timmy had his mom put cigarettes out on his back so its ok that he he beat up bobby and took his lunch money....Oh that little billy keyed the principles car...Oh well he was abused so it isn't his fault.

By saying crap like that and it is crap, not only are you taking away the responsability from his actions but also his parents. I'm not saying you are a "bleeding heart" but by your views the only person who is really punished is the victim and they did nothing wrong.

And yes, you do not kill someone without them going through appeals processes and you would not lop of a mans genitals until that same process is given its proper chance. Is the justice system perfect...hell no..we have murders getting out of jail because they can bench a lot. But it is governed by the same rules for everyone..so as they say in golf. If it is not fair for everyone then it is fair.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

with the skyrocketing cost of prisons and the legal system every year, money being cut from education as a result of increasing costs of prisons, this problem appears to be sonmething that could become a trend of less money for schools to fund the growing number of people in prison.

Most everyone on this board has taken some sort of sociology class in high school. What is a huge contributing factor to criminal deviance? How about SES. What is a large part of SES, or better yet ill just state it. Education. Since higher educated people as a rule are the ones with the most money and the least likely to commit crimes such as murder, rape, GTA, thievery and so on. Why not try to educate/reeducate these criminals, or even better, use their labor as a bigger part of the work force doing petty jobs like late night janitorial work and things of that sort? MY God, we're paying to put them in there, why not make them work.
at least make them good at something so if they get out of prison they have a chance to make it, like there's some hope for them not to just have a return trip to prison.

Why not appease them a little bit by letting them lift? make prisoners work 60 hours a week doing janitor/cleanup/ anything that an entry level person can do, and have something like lifting be a reward? We're not going to get a good return on the tax money we spend on prisons, no matter how you look at it, but instead of sitting in theirr cells all day, a program that puts the majority of criminals doing "slave labor" to the benefit of the rest of society could at least soften the blow of the costs of the prison system.

now lifting for lazy ass murderers that dont do anything but cause trouble, or' anyone of that sort. i dont agree with that, but if its a reward, and we arent putting Gold's gym in any prisons then why not make it a reward?

 

[Bulldog_10]

Again to agree with bull-dog and I hate doing that

What in the?!?!!

 

[jubei]

Well there is much more violent crime in the US than in Canada per capita and you guys have the death penalty. Seems to be working well for you guys.

Who cares if a child had cigarettes put out on his back? I don't want to make this personal but you are an idiot. I really would be asking for my money back from college because you have obviously learned nothing. I would expect something more from you. If your views are so sound and logical its a wonder they haven't caught on. I just don't understand why we don't castrate and decapitate people on a more regular basis.

The prison officials at sing sing recently stated how much better behaved the prisoners were and how much more likely they were to integrate back into society if they were treated better and given an education while doing time.

Well, I probably offended you, but that wasn't my original intention. People like you drive me crazy, I can't understand whats wrong with you.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Well there is much more violent crime in the US than in Canada per capita and you guys have the death penalty. Seems to be working well for you guys.

Who cares if a child had cigarettes put out on his back? I don't want to make this personal but you are an idiot. I really would be asking for my money back from college because you have obviously learned nothing. I would expect something more from you. If your views are so sound and logical its a wonder they haven't caught on. I just don't understand why we don't castrate and decapitate people on a more regular basis.

The prison officials at sing sing recently stated how much better behaved the prisoners were and how much more likely they were to integrate back into society if they were treated better and given an education while doing time.

Well, I probably offended you, but that wasn't my original intention. People like you drive me crazy, I can't understand whats wrong with you.

First off...you can't compare the US and Canada...they are two totally different places, with totally different people. Second, most states don't have the death penalty. Third, most criminals can't be integreated back into society.

Think about it, these people MURDER people knowing full well that they will most likely be caught. That person is most likely not capable of being integrated into society...if they were, they wouldn't kill anyone in the first place.