please post your opinions on this huge mistake and don't hold back!

[1tight_tl]

This is a BAD choice..and ur a good friend for trying to stop him...Insulin should be a last resort for seasoned BB's who are taking thier CAREER to the next level. If EVER. Guys who already big in size run the risk of more fat gain than anything and if they do not thier family history of diabetics also have a good chance of TURNING THEMSELVES DIABETIC !!! Good luck trying to help him bro

 

[Cal_21]

Why doesn't he just do another cycle? Why jump the gun and risk his health? He sounds way to short sighted to even touch gear on second thought. I hope he listens to you, for his sake. It'd be a shame for him to come out of this a fat type 2 diabetic; especially when he could just do another light/medium cycle and come out ahead of the game.

 

[chestrockwell420]

wondering who he is listening to if he wont listen to you bro!! bad idea.too young for anything really other than basic test cycle

 

[Tatyana]

He probably won't listen until he fucks himself up.

I have a few friends his age (who now have the test levels of pre-pubescent girls), who now say, gee I should have listened to you.

I just got another e-mail from a mate who did something like a BBing comp prep just to look good on New Year's Eve going out. I told him that dehydrating was a stupid thing as he would feel like poo and it would be dangerous going out, drinking and taking drugs dehydrated.

Didn't listen, he is still sick now. And moaning.

It is really really stupid to take insulin as it is so easy to manipulate insulin naturally.

Does he also know he is suppressing growth when he is taking insulin?

In all honesty, it is a great thing to watch out for the young and dumb ones, it does get a bit tedious though.

And what do you do when they are all messed up, cause the whole 'I told you so' is a bit cruel then.


Have him google diabetes, and see if he wants to live with that one.

 

[biggernu]

I would not risk taking insulin alone, especially at 22. Is it true if you o.d. on insulin your body will shut down?

 

[needtogetarmy]

My advice: let him learn the hard way.

 

[needtogetaas]

standalone insulin is a perfect cycle if the objective is to risk disaster while getting fat.

at 22 you can make great gains naturally with good diet and training, and then you can move to anabolics once you've maxed out. after many years when you get close to maxxing on anabolics, you can add g..h.. then think about insulin.

but insulin right off the bat? and standalone?? foolish and not effective.

I have said it over and over. I will never use it.

 

[walliwalibus]

Scary. I have insulin readily available at anytime, and will never touch it. Diabetes sucks ass. I am new here, but I know better than to mess with insulin.

 

[chazk]

One thing is insulin works, But from what i have read is for every one lb of muscle gains 1lb of fat seems to be the average during heavy bulk
so 40lbs gain in a bulk offseason will be half fat half muscle.
But keeping the muscle and losing the fat is the bad part, most guys get so big and bloated of insulin its hard to lose the fat.

I dont consider 1lb of fat for every 1lb of muscle a fair exchange unless someone is super lean and could use the bulk.
but someone 15% bf or high is just asking to be a gaint blob

 

[702daswoll1]

Not a good idea period. Especially at such a young age. Insulin is nasty stuff.