Please comment on this CYCLE

[Toenail Juice Z]

Please comment on my next cycle i'm doing after stopping my previous one half way through since my Russian D-Bol was fake.

Week***D-Bol*****Deca****Sustanon****Winstrol
1*******25mg****200mg*********************
2*******30mg****400mg*********************
3*******30mg****400mg****500mg************
4*******30mg****400mg****500mg************
5***************400mg****500mg*************
6***************400mg****500mg*************
7***************400mg****500mg*****50mg(eod)
8***************250mg****500mg*****50mg(eod)
9***********************************50mg(eod)

I'm looking to gain about 6 or 7 Kilos of muscle, and cut some bodyfat at the end. I currently weigh only about 180 pounds (86kg's) with 9-10% bodyfat. Basically I'm not big or small, not fat nor thin!. I'm 5ft 11" at 23 and looking to become bigger with better muscularity and get rid of this ridiculous gut I have. (probably from too many antidepressants).

What do you think? What can be expected?

Any comments/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Cycle looks pretty good. I would run the Sust for the full 8 weeks as it take 3-4 weeks to take full affect. If you have a good diet you should be able to reach the goals you have set for your self. Make sure you have Clomid for post cycle. Good Luck!

M18

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

Thanks for the quick reply Mustang. Your always there when we need you.

 

[Swollen]

Start off with the Sust

 

[The Iron Game]

Hmm

I dont like it one bit but thats just me. Good luck

 

[TxLonghorn]

I agree with the others about running the sust the whole time.

Iron Game, what don't you like?

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

Iron game, Id'e appreciate more input from a guru. What don't you like and why?

I'le change it if I have to, maybe substitute the deca with Primo and scrap the winstol altogether.

 

[The Iron Game]

How many cycles have you done so far and what did they consist of. Also do you have access to arimidex or proviron and nolvadex?

Peace

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

I have done 2 cycles so far. One Deca Only Cycle for 8 weeks, and the next one Sustanon & Deca Cycle for 10 weeks. I gained more off the first one. Probably because it was the first. Began roids after training 1.5 years naturally.

I always have a good supply of Clomid & Nolvadex handy.

 

[The Iron Game]

Ok

I would strongly suggest getting the proviron as an addition.

Enanthate over Sustanon in my opinion anyday. I cant say it enough, that sustanon has to be one of the most over rated steroids in existance. On top of the Enanthate I would go for dianabol and Eq.

My personal choices on enanthate would be Schering Testoviron Depot 250mgs/ml followed by Iranian enanthate. Who knows maybe try some some of the new Indian stuff available at 250mgs/ml in 2 ml vials. This would probably work out cheaper.

The Eq has to be without a doubt in replace of deca as the sides will all come from one angle, namely estrogen. It will also provide you with some solid lean gains not too much water. You already have test and dbol so you dont really need another steroid that will give you a large amount of water retention. Ttokkyo Labs 200mgs/ml, Ultragan 100mgs/ml, Ganabol 50mgs/ml in that order.

Dianabol Anabol, Bionabol, Naposim, Russian whichever is cheaper.

You will need Nolvadex and Proviron as well as clomid post cycle.

You can use Nolva throughout but it isnt the best of ideas. Nolvadex will bind to the estrogen receptor thus prevent 'real' estrogen from binding and exerting its negative effects. The problem here is when you stop using nolvadex you have free estrogen in the body and it will then bind to the er, this is where the proviron comes in to play. Proviron being an anti aromatise will prevent the aromatisation of the steroids in to estrogen.
Now dont get me wrong, estrogen is essential for normal body functions but too much is bad and too little is also bad, we would rather have too little than too much when using. You should try and aim for normal levels throughout the cycle. For this reason I recommend using 3 weeks of proviron at 50mgs/ day, then take a 10 day break, in this break use Nolvadex at 10mgs/day only if you are over concerned about gyno, and water retention otherwise go with out.

If you do start noticing itchy nipples or sensitive/painful nipples immediately use nolva at 40mgs/day for 7 days and get back on the proviron.

The problem with deca, as you probably know by now, is that is doesnt aromatize to estrogen but
rather progesterone and anti estrogens or an anti aromatise will not help with this problem. I think we have already established from your past cycles that deca isnt a concern for you but I would still recommend eq for less water retention. It may also cause an increase in appetite (doesnt for everyone) which will help you get the # of cals needed to grow.

The end cycle:

Eq 400mgs/600mgs/wk for 10 weeks
Enanthate at 750mgs/wk for 10 weeks
Dbol at 25mgs/day for 4-5 weeks

Proviron at 50mgs for days 1 - 21, 32 - 53, 64 - 85
Nolvadex @ 10mgs/day for days 22 - 31, 54 - 63,
(only if v concerned about estrogen related sides)

Clomid 14 days after last injection as follows:

Day 1 = 300mgs
Next 10 Days = 100mgs/day
Next 10 days = 50mgs/day


Protein at 300grams + / day
Calories increase by 1500+/day

5 days of intense training / wk at no more than 90 minute sessions. 75 grams of protein drink after a workout followed by a meal 30 minutes later.

Peace

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Very nice info and Cycle Iron Game!

M18

 

[The Iron Game]

Iron Game, what don't you like?

Tx, I dont like the way the deca is tappered, I dont like the idea of running the the sustanon for 6 weeks, I dont like the idea of running the sust for 3 weeks longer than the deca, I dont like the way the winny is used at 50mgs eod (1.5 weeks of use). Oh and I almost forgot that I hate DECA period

Peace

 

[The Iron Game]

Thanks Mustang

 

[TxLonghorn]

Damn, now that's an answer! Good insight Iron Game. Although, if this guy has already got deca, he might as well use it. No need to let good gear go to waste, lol.

 

[thefacelessballer]

use the winny longer