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Pin, I got a question for ya bro

Lestat

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You recently made this statement:

"My kids will live in a more dangerous world because threre are alot of people like you around."

I'm wondering what you mean by that? I'd fight for your kid's rights regardless of who they were, what they looked liked, or what they believed. I wouldn't discriminate against them based on their sexual orientation, or the education/aptitude level of their parents.

So how exactly is the world more dangerous for them because of people like me?
 
Lestat said:
You recently made this statement:

"My kids will live in a more dangerous world because threre are alot of people like you around."

I'm wondering what you mean by that? I'd fight for your kid's rights regardless of who they were, what they looked liked, or what they believed. I wouldn't discriminate against them based on their sexual orientation, or the education/aptitude level of their parents.

So how exactly is the world more dangerous for them because of people like me?
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oh that was a shot.. hahah`
 
pin said:
I already explianed it why are you asking me in a new thread?
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can you link me to where you explained it?
 
Lestat said:
I admire your desire to protect your kids from every perceivable threat, however I personally would stop short of violating other people's rights in order to do so. I suppose that is what you think makes me dangerous, but you never know if one day its your kids right's that are getting violated by someone else's attempt to stamp out a "perceivable" threat.
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This is where you and I part ways in thinking. You view someone who would have sex with an animal as "just different".

We are not talking about socialized health care, or taxes, or enviromental issues here. You and I can debate all day long about these things. Agree or disagree, we can go have a beer afterwrds and its all good.

But this is completely unacceptable. We are talking about dangerous mentally disturbed behavior becoming "mainstream" or "an alternative lifestyle".

You lack simple common sense on this issue. Could you amagine, teachers that have sex with animals teaching in our schools, all because "they have the right to be perverted." Its not even an intellectual debate, or a difference in philosophy. Its simple common sense.

You seem pretty smart. Please tell me you're joking.
 
a guy who does nothing but go to beach parties and plays rock band video game aint going to be dangerous i would think.
 
Smurfy, here is the exchange between me and Lestat. Would you want these people mingling in a society with your family? In the schools? Animal porn on cable tv for your kids to watch while you're at work? He is defending this concept. Still funny?



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Originally Posted by Lestat
I would say progress is a label I ascribe to anything that reduces human suffering. From ancient times to very recently this was mainly physical suffering, now we're getting into emotional and mental health, concepts that were not really understood or that people cared about before..


PIN
I drag my tired ass out of bed everyday to go to work. People like you take a large percentage of my income. You cause emotinal suffering on my part. And physical suffering because if I want more I have to work even harder.



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Originally Posted by Lestat
Something like beastiality is tricky. Personally, I don't have a problem with someone who wants to fuck an animal, so long as it was concentual. If we can't determine concentual for a goat or dog, then I'd say no, its not a practice we should legalize because it falls into the category of animal abuse.


PIN
You contribute to the decay of our nation. You lack simple common sense. the type of person who would want to have sex with an animal is disturbed and dangerous. You don't seem to have the capacity to realize something as simple as this. You whould have them run free. Free to exercise their depravity on a person one day. Perhaps a child. Causing more suffering.
 
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superdave said:
a guy who does nothing but go to beach parties and plays rock band video game aint going to be dangerous i would think.
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thats not what we are talking about. I used to be that guy ^^^. Except for the rock band. Lestat brought up beastility in an argument in defence of a point he was trying to make.
 
I've got a long drive home Lestat. I know your keyboard is probaly on fire as you are composing your magnum opis of a rebutal.

I'm interested in reading your response.

LATER!!!
 
He's a frickin idiot
and I doubt he has any kids


Lestat said:
You recently made this statement:

"My kids will live in a more dangerous world because threre are alot of people like you around."

I'm wondering what you mean by that? I'd fight for your kid's rights regardless of who they were, what they looked liked, or what they believed. I wouldn't discriminate against them based on their sexual orientation, or the education/aptitude level of their parents.

So how exactly is the world more dangerous for them because of people like me?
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PIN
You are splitting hairs here. Who cares whether or not he touched or would have touched the child?

You are defending an entire mindset here. And a perverted mindset at that. What kind of a guy sits online and talkes dirty to kids? You think this is OK?

I don't care if there are a million FBI agents out there posing as kids. You don't have anything to worrey about if you're not the type of guy that would take the bait.


Hey Lestat. Here is another explanation for ya.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/c...-catch-preditor-sucide-lawsuit-600475-13.html
 
Hey sorry bro, I was playing Rock Band.

If a guy wants to have sex with a sheep or horse or whatever, I think that is weird, but I wouldn't punish the guy for it. Unless maybe it was causing severe physical harm to them, like abuse, but horses get kicked, whipped, and ridden. Sheep get slaughtered and what not. What's the harm with a little fuckin'.

I don't understand how my tolerance of beastiality endangers your children?
 
This argument is geigh

Lestat has some strange beliefs, but he is entitled to them

he's also a harmless person that I wouldn't think twice about calling him up for a meat up if I ever make it out west
 
Lestat said:
Hey sorry bro, I was playing Rock Band.

If a guy wants to have sex with a sheep or horse or whatever, I think that is weird, but I wouldn't punish the guy for it. Unless maybe it was causing severe physical harm to them, like abuse, but horses get kicked, whipped, and ridden. Sheep get slaughtered and what not. What's the harm with a little fuckin'.

I don't understand how my tolerance of beastiality endangers your children?
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lol
 
pin said:
I already explianed it why are you asking me in a new thread?
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Please don't tell me Lestat really said-word for word-what is in your sig. lol.
 
pin said:
werd 4 werd. :whatever:
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Who does someone fucking a sheep hurt? Who is the victim (besides the poor sheep).

You think its gross, immoral, perverted, etc. So what if someone thinks some sexual practice that you enjoy is gross and perverted? Where do you draw the line?

My line is that if it doesn't negatively impact others, then let it be. There are many sexual deviances out there which I do not enjoy, some are actually physically repulsive to me, but just because it is not my cup of tea, who am I to judge other's for their tastes and preferences.

I still have yet to see how this endangers your children in the least.
 
pin said:
This is where you and I part ways in thinking. You view someone who would have sex with an animal as "just different".

We are not talking about socialized health care, or taxes, or enviromental issues here. You and I can debate all day long about these things. Agree or disagree, we can go have a beer afterwrds and its all good.

But this is completely unacceptable. We are talking about dangerous mentally disturbed behavior becoming "mainstream" or "an alternative lifestyle".

You lack simple common sense on this issue. Could you amagine, teachers that have sex with animals teaching in our schools, all because "they have the right to be perverted." Its not even an intellectual debate, or a difference in philosophy. Its simple common sense.

You seem pretty smart. Please tell me you're joking.
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+1
 
pin said:
This is where you and I part ways in thinking. You view someone who would have sex with an animal as "just different".

We are not talking about socialized health care, or taxes, or enviromental issues here. You and I can debate all day long about these things. Agree or disagree, we can go have a beer afterwrds and its all good.

But this is completely unacceptable. We are talking about dangerous mentally disturbed behavior becoming "mainstream" or "an alternative lifestyle".

You lack simple common sense on this issue. Could you amagine, teachers that have sex with animals teaching in our schools, all because "they have the right to be perverted." Its not even an intellectual debate, or a difference in philosophy. Its simple common sense.

You seem pretty smart. Please tell me you're joking.
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i seem to agree here.
 
Not much bro .. Just busy with work and i caught this fucking cold.. My thoat hurts so bad i wanna just lay down and die :(
 
Kano said:
Not much bro .. Just busy with work and i caught this fucking cold.. My thoat hurts so bad i wanna just lay down and die :(
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Damn that sucks! I've been busy back at work also and I'm waiting for dinner so I can eat a big steak and salad!
 
Okay lets say a daughter who is 16 states that she enjoys having sex with her dad, should we legalize incest... I mean its not harming anyone... except both of them... incest, beastiality, pedophilia is unnatural. I don't believe you really believe what you are promoting... I guess it all comes down to what you value, and how do come to value things... well its what you are willing to put your time and effort in. I can't prove this with specific numbers or NIH research, because this question is about meaning... and science and its strict reliance on symbolic mathematical principles of logic will not answer this question. This question is really asking, what does it mean to be human? I think that we are more than just postsynaptic responses seeking dopamine or the pleasure receptor, I think there are innate natural drives to transcend the self... to belong to something... to be apart of something greater than the self... and thats what meaning is, its not based on function, but rather interconnection... how you relate to people, by promoting beastiality based on the logic that it doesn't harm anyone, it is really making people more of an object, more of a pleasure seeking object thats primary valuation is to fuck. Fucking animals makes one more of an animal, they are feeding instinctual drives that based on momentum will alter their worldview on what it entails to be human, in accordance with the innate self hate that will be inevitable, their outlook on human life will change... and this change will not to be to anyones advantadge.
I love the saying a mind that is all logic is like a knife that is all blade, it bleeds the hand that uses it. I agree with alot of your takes from what I've read Lestat, and you seem very smart... but I don't agree with ya here bro.
 
ariel347 said:
Okay lets say a daughter who is 16 states that she enjoys having sex with her dad, should we legalize incest... I mean its not harming anyone... except both of them... incest, beastiality, pedophilia is unnatural. I don't believe you really believe what you are promoting... I guess it all comes down to what you value, and how do come to value things... well its what you are willing to put your time and effort in. I can't prove this with specific numbers or NIH research, because this question is about meaning... and science and its strict reliance on symbolic mathematical principles of logic will not answer this question. This question is really asking, what does it mean to be human? I think that we are more than just postsynaptic responses seeking dopamine or the pleasure receptor, I think there are innate natural drives to transcend the self... to belong to something... to be apart of something greater than the self... and thats what meaning is, its not based on function, but rather interconnection... how you relate to people, by promoting beastiality based on the logic that it doesn't harm anyone, it is really making people more of an object, more of a pleasure seeking object thats primary valuation is to fuck. Fucking animals makes one more of an animal, they are feeding instinctual drives that based on momentum will alter their worldview on what it entails to be human, in accordance with the innate self hate that will be inevitable, their outlook on human life will change... and this change will not to be to anyones advantadge.
I love the saying a mind that is all logic is like a knife that is all blade, it bleeds the hand that uses it. I agree with alot of your takes from what I've read Lestat, and you seem very smart... but I don't agree with ya here bro.
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Incest from a father to underage daughter has a clear victim in my mind, the daughter. In the case of beastiality, I don't view the animal as a victim per se, although I respect the PETA types who would claim that.

You may think sex with an animal is somehow indicitive of some underlying mental issues, but guess what, many people say homsexual relations are the same thing. Some states even ban hetrosexual sodomy between consenting adults! Who am I to place limits on other people's sexual preferences? I'll let them enjoy what they like and they can leave me to do the same.

I understand not many will agree with this, because beastiality is pretty out there. Like I said, its nothhing I'd entertain, but I also don't enjoy bondange, S&M, rape fantasies, etc. These are all things I have no problem with other consenting adults engaging in though.
 
Pretty sure homos and goat fuckers suffer very different psychological issues.

Personally, anyone who desires to fuck animals is more than welcome to relocate to Afghanistan where you can pretty much hump anything at anytime.

Lestat said:
In the case of beastiality, I don't view the animal as a victim per se
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Of course not, I'm sure the animals love it and wish it could happen more often.
 
gotmilk said:
Pretty sure homos and goat fuckers suffer very different psychological issues.

Personally, anyone who desires to fuck animals is more than welcome to relocate to Afghanistan where you can pretty much hump anything at anytime.



Of course not, I'm sure the animals love it and wish it could happen more often.
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You believe homosexuals suffere from psychological issues?

Possibly because a lot of society has spurned them and treated them as outcasts? Is that what you were getting at?
 
i think the concern that many people have is that a person who fucks animals is a deviant with strange impulses and a lack of restraint. such a deviant, in their minds, might also be capable of major criminal offenses like child abuse. i have no idea if there is a correlation between animal fucking and pedophilia, for example, but it's not such a great leap to make. in the absence of detailed research (and who the fuck is going to bother looking that up in the first place), it's quite reasonable to be not only disgusted by such behaviour, but also concerned for its potential implications.
 
jackangel said:
i think the concern that many people have is that a person who fucks animals is a deviant with strange impulses and a lack of restraint. such a deviant, in their minds, might also be capable of major criminal offenses like child abuse. i have no idea if there is a correlation between animal fucking and pedophilia, for example, but it's not such a great leap to make. in the absence of detailed research (and who the fuck is going to bother looking that up in the first place), it's quite reasonable to be not only disgusted by such behaviour, but also concerned for its potential implications.
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I disagree. People say the same thing about homosexuals. They feel they are deviant and not fit to rear children. Its fine to hold personal opinions and make your own assumptions, but when you put those assumptions into real world practice that starte to infringe or persecute others, these personal beliefs become more than just that.
 
Lestat said:
Incest from a father to underage daughter has a clear victim in my mind, the daughter. In the case of beastiality, I don't view the animal as a victim per se, although I respect the PETA types who would claim that.

You may think sex with an animal is somehow indicitive of some underlying mental issues, but guess what, many people say homsexual relations are the same thing. Some states even ban hetrosexual sodomy between consenting adults! Who am I to place limits on other people's sexual preferences? I'll let them enjoy what they like and they can leave me to do the same.

I understand not many will agree with this, because beastiality is pretty out there. Like I said, its nothhing I'd entertain, but I also don't enjoy bondange, S&M, rape fantasies, etc. These are all things I have no problem with other consenting adults engaging in though.
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There is a significant difference, humans can consent and animals are property, just like slaves in an earlier time in this country.
 
javaguru said:
There is a significant difference, humans can consent and animals are property, just like slaves in an earlier time in this country.
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You can fuck a fleshlight and that is your property. Does that make you unfit to raise children??
 
Lestat said:
You can fuck a fleshlight and that is your property. Does that make you unfit to raise children??
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You're making overly broad claims, two consenting adults should be able to engage in any activity in the privacy of their own home. A hillbilly fucking his sheep is a different issue....
 
javaguru said:
You're making overly broad claims, two consenting adults should be able to engage in any activity in the privacy of their own home. A hillbilly fucking his sheep is a different issue....
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If you do believe the sheep is the man's property, with no rights of its own, for the man to do with as he pleases, including slaughtering it with a sledge hammer to the head or knife to the throat, then why do you take issue with him penetrating it with his penis or any other manner of object first?
 
jackangel said:
i think the concern that many people have is that a person who fucks animals is a deviant with strange impulses and a lack of restraint. such a deviant, in their minds, might also be capable of major criminal offenses like child abuse. i have no idea if there is a correlation between animal fucking and pedophilia, for example, but it's not such a great leap to make. in the absence of detailed research (and who the fuck is going to bother looking that up in the first place), it's quite reasonable to be not only disgusted by such behaviour, but also concerned for its potential implications.
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i think it would be a pretty shitty society that punished people over "concern" about their potential behavior.
 
lestat is arguing logically, everyone else is arguing emotionally.

would i want my kids to be taught by a goatfucker? shit no.

tryin to keep an open mind here though; consentual animal secx shouldn't be anyone else's business.
 
Lestat said:
If you do believe the sheep is the man's property, with no rights of its own, for the man to do with as he pleases, including slaughtering it with a sledge hammer to the head or knife to the throat, then why do you take issue with him penetrating it with his penis or any other manner of object first?
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d00d please...
 
manny78 said:
d00d please...
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Not much of a rebuttal there bro. Why is someone fucking a sheep any of your business?
 
Lestat said:
Not much of a rebuttal there bro. Why is someone fucking a sheep any of your business?
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Cause is fucked up. If you stick your dick into a sheep's Hershey Highway then sorry bro but there's a problem. And this has nothing to do with Jesus.
 
manny78 said:
Cause is fucked up. If you stick your dick into a sheep's Hershey Highway then sorry bro but there's a problem. And this has nothing to do with Jesus.
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Of course it has nothing to do with Jesus. But what is the problem exactly? Is sheep fucking a sign of something else wrong with the person doing the fucking? If so, what and how do you know this?
 
pin said:
This is where you and I part ways in thinking. You view someone who would have sex with an animal as "just different".We are not talking about socialized health care, or taxes, or enviromental issues here. You and I can debate all day long about these things. Agree or disagree, we can go have a beer afterwrds and its all good.

But this is completely unacceptable. We are talking about dangerous mentally disturbed behavior becoming "mainstream" or "an alternative lifestyle".

You lack simple common sense on this issue. Could you amagine, teachers that have sex with animals teaching in our schools, all because "they have the right to be perverted." Its not even an intellectual debate, or a difference in philosophy. Its simple common sense.

You seem pretty smart. Please tell me you're joking.
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i'm an animal and plenty of women have had sex with me. no one was hurt,
embarassed or otherwise violated. having sex with animals is not a bad thing :)
 
nimbus said:
i think it would be a pretty shitty society that punished people over "concern" about their potential behavior.
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i was addressing the way people feel, a possible reason for their reaction to this kind of behaviour. i don't know if this is a basis for legislation. but perhaps it's enough that people feel it's wrong. we're talking about values.

values don't necessarily have much to do with logic, just like this world. even if you use logic, you still need a starting point. something axiomatic. in lestat's case, it's the elimination of suffering. we care for one another, work with each other, because it increases our odds of survival, health, freedom, etc.

it makes sense if you value these things. but you might not. you are free to reject them. all it takes is a single human being who doesn't care about himself or anyone to illustrate the possibility of such deliberate disregard for typical human values.

that means that, even if they are endorsed by the overwhelming majority, they are not universal or irrefutable. there is a point before which subjectivity reigns, and only after which logic may be applied.

we have laws against outright cruelty (i.e., torture) to animals. we don't need them. the world wouldn't fall apart such laws. but we have them anyway, because preventing such abuse is apparently part of our value system. it's not that we're against doing harm to animals, period. we harm them, legally, in various ways. but we think it's wrong to harm them in certain ways. there are many inconsistencies and gray areas in our morals and our laws. in this case, we may also think it's wrong to fuck an animal as well.

it has little to do with logic, just like the rest of our lives. none of this is a definitive justification for outlawing bestiality, but a reminder that attempting to view and argue such matters through the lens of logic is naive and incomplete.
 
Lestat said:
You believe homosexuals suffere from psychological issues?
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No, I was being e-sarcastic in response to your post. Sex with animals is pretty fucked up to begin with.


You may think sex with an animal is somehow indicitive of some underlying mental issues, but guess what, many people say homsexual relations are the same thing
 
nimbus said:
i think it would be a pretty shitty society that punished people over "concern" about their potential behavior.
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At the same time, a parent has every right to decide who they want around their kids.

I'm sure gayze would be thrilled to have their lifestyle and beastiality put in the same group.
 
nimbus said:
lestat is arguing logically, everyone else is arguing emotionally.

would i want my kids to be taught by a goatfucker? shit no.

tryin to keep an open mind here though; consentual animal secx shouldn't be anyone else's business.
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No such thing.
 
jackangel said:
i was addressing the way people feel, a possible reason for their reaction to this kind of behaviour. i don't know if this is a basis for legislation. but perhaps it's enough that people feel it's wrong. we're talking about values.

values don't necessarily have much to do with logic, just like this world. even if you use logic, you still need a starting point. something axiomatic. in lestat's case, it's the elimination of suffering. we care for one another, work with each other, because it increases our odds of survival, health, freedom, etc.

it makes sense if you value these things. but you might not. you are free to reject them. all it takes is a single human being who doesn't care about himself or anyone to illustrate the possibility of such deliberate disregard for typical human values.

that means that, even if they are endorsed by the overwhelming majority, they are not universal or irrefutable. there is a point before which subjectivity reigns, and only after which logic may be applied.

we have laws against outright cruelty (i.e., torture) to animals. we don't need them. the world wouldn't fall apart such laws. but we have them anyway, because preventing such abuse is apparently part of our value system. it's not that we're against doing harm to animals, period. we harm them, legally, in various ways. but we think it's wrong to harm them in certain ways. there are many inconsistencies and gray areas in our morals and our laws. in this case, we may also think it's wrong to fuck an animal as well.

it has little to do with logic, just like the rest of our lives. none of this is a definitive justification for outlawing bestiality, but a reminder that attempting to view and argue such matters through the lens of logic is naive and incomplete.
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you pretty much went way off on a tangent here, and barely addressed what i wrote. whatever. The point i brought up was whether or not it is beneficial for society to punish people based on weak predictions, not supported by any sort of evidence whatsoever, about their future behavior.


can you really say "this man likes to fuck chickens, therefore he is also going to commit all sorts of other crimes or offenses against society. lock him up. "?

i dont think that is fair
 
jnevin said:
At the same time, a parent has every right to decide who they want around their kids.

I'm sure gayze would be thrilled to have their lifestyle and beastiality put in the same group.
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that is the parents' problem then. they can do their own research into a students' teachers and put their kid in a different class if they feel they have to. but it isn't society's obligation to screen every person for every possible deviation from societal norms, just in case parents don't want their kids around them.
 
jnevin said:
No such thing.
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what if a dog fucks a woman? how is the dog not consenting?


you were thinking about it from the perspective of YOU fucking an animal, you fuciking bestialistic goatfucker perv!!!
 
nimbus said:
you pretty much went way off on a tangent here, and barely addressed what i wrote. whatever. The point i brought up was whether or not it is beneficial for society to punish people based on weak predictions, not supported by any sort of evidence whatsoever, about their future behavior
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Violence toward animals usually means people will be violent toward people later in life. I'm sure there aren't as many studies of how sex with animals would or could relate to some kind of deviant behaviour toward people.

Of course, I wouldn't let anyone that's overly religious watch my kids because I don't agree with what they believe and I don't want my daughter having someone else's beliefs pushed on her. I doubt any sheep fuckers would try to get kids to fuck animals, but the fact that someone would even do that means they have some deep fucking issues.

I mean, is nechrophilia bad since a corpse can't say no?
 
nimbus said:
that is the parents' problem then. they can do their own research into a students' teachers and put their kid in a different class if they feel they have to. but it isn't society's obligation to screen every person for every possible deviation from societal norms, just in case parents don't want their kids around them.
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And that was what Pin said originally. Thing is, society has already determined that beastiality is wrong. It's illegal.
 
jnevin said:
Violence toward animals usually means people will be violent toward people later in life. I'm sure there aren't as many studies of how sex with animals would or could relate to some kind of deviant behaviour toward people.

Of course, I wouldn't let anyone that's overly religious watch my kids because I don't agree with what they believe and I don't want my daughter having someone else's beliefs pushed on her. I doubt any sheep fuckers would try to get kids to fuck animals, but the fact that someone would even do that means they have some deep fucking issues.

I mean, is nechrophilia bad since a corpse can't say no?
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what if it's a woman?
 
jnevin said:
And that was what Pin said originally. Thing is, society has already determined that beastiality is wrong. It's illegal.
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fuck if it's already illegal then what were they arguing?
 
pin said:
Its not even an intellectual debate, or a difference in philosophy. Its simple common sense.
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The problem with this basis of argument is that "common sense" varies drastically from one region to another, and from one time period to another. Thus, one must find an invariant grounds for debate else all is but mere personal opinion. Unless, of course, you have some concise, transcendental definition of "common sense" here that everyone unanimously believes in.



:cow:
 
nimbus said:
you pretty much went way off on a tangent here, and barely addressed what i wrote. whatever. The point i brought up was whether or not it is beneficial for society to punish people based on weak predictions, not supported by any sort of evidence whatsoever, about their future behavior.


can you really say "this man likes to fuck chickens, therefore he is also going to commit all sorts of other crimes or offenses against society. lock him up. "?

i dont think that is fair
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are you interested only in the answer to the specific question as to whether or not fucking animals should be illegal? i think i addressed that somewhere. i don't know if it should, as i don't know if there's a connection between that and more serious offenses. i wouldn't personally make it illegal merely based on my own personal reaction of disgust towards it.

but you've said other things which my post also addresses, even if they lie beyond the original issue that motivated this thread.
 
jackangel said:
are you interested only in the answer to the specific question as to whether or not fucking animals should be illegal? i think i addressed that somewhere. i don't know if it should, as i don't know if there's a connection between that and more serious offenses. i wouldn't personally make it illegal merely based on my own personal reaction of disgust towards it.

but you've said other things which my post also addresses, even if they lie beyond the original issue that motivated this thread.
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It's already illegal. Moot point.
 
jnevin said:
It's already illegal. Moot point.
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i know it is. that doesn't make it a moot point for discussion.

schmucks here argue endlessly over such unbelievable crap...it's fine to ask whether or not something should be illegal, regardless of whether or not it is.

obviously.
 
jackangel said:
i know it is. that doesn't make it a moot point for discussion.

schmucks here argue endlessly over such unbelievable crap...it's fine to ask whether or not something should be illegal, regardless of whether or not it is.

obviously.
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I guess.

So... What if gravity didn't exist?
 
samoth said:
The problem with this basis of argument is that "common sense" varies drastically from one region to another, and from one time period to another. Thus, one must find an invariant grounds for debate else all is but mere personal opinion. Unless, of course, you have some concise, transcendental definition of "common sense" here that everyone unanimously believes in.



:cow:
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Nope, his world view just has him smack dab in the center and every else is sub par, and their actions less than ideal.
 
samoth said:
The problem with this basis of argument is that "common sense" varies drastically from one region to another, and from one time period to another. Thus, one must find an invariant grounds for debate else all is but mere personal opinion. Unless, of course, you have some concise, transcendental definition of "common sense" here that everyone unanimously believes in.
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Well in that case, my argument still stands because I'm sure a very high percentage of people in our society ( and I speculate globally) in this time period would find sex with animals repugnant and would not support its legalization or support the right of the disturbed people who do so.
 
jackangel said:
are you interested only in the answer to the specific question as to whether or not fucking animals should be illegal? i think i addressed that somewhere. i don't know if it should, as i don't know if there's a connection between that and more serious offenses. i wouldn't personally make it illegal merely based on my own personal reaction of disgust towards it.

but you've said other things which my post also addresses, even if they lie beyond the original issue that motivated this thread.
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in your original post i quoted, you said that people were justified in their concern about animal-fuckers because people who commit that one deviant behavior would probably commit other deviant behaviors. And then i stated that i don't think an unproven correlation between one deviant behavior and a slew of others is a good reason to take action against someone. the fact that the behavior happened to be bestiality had no real relevance to my point
 
this thread has offended me. chicken fucking is a right of passage in
my neck of the woods. it isn't sexual in nature, but rather, a show of
power. we are humane, in that we wrap the chicken in duct tape. ( less
likely to explode on you ) we still make use of the chicken afterwards.
( the women folk pluck 'em and serve 'em up after intercourse ) the
poor bastard was gonna die anywho.......and it doesn't really know it's
getting fucked. i mean, come on.....what's the big deal here.
 
I like Lestat and respect a lot of things he says, but I do believe this type of thinking is dangerous. Its an idealistic "anything goes" mentality that labels any controversial cause as progressive -- whether its progressive or not.
 
layinback said:
this thread has offended me. i mean, come on.....what's the big deal here.
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Up here, we have Michael Vick style dog fights, but we pit dogs against chickens, and then have a BBQ after.



Dog kills over 100 chickens and turkeys

By Maggie Gill-Austern , Staff Writer
Sunday, June 29, 2008 PHOTO GALLERY
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WALES - When teenagers Michael and Nate Bonzagni went outside to check on their fowl at around 4 p.m. Saturday, they were greeted with a gruesome sight.

A husky had gotten into the family's poultry pen and killed more than 100 young chickens and turkeys.

"We found the dog jumping over everything, just going over the rest of them that he didn't kill," said Michael Bonzagni, 13. "It was a gray husky
 
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