Pics From 10 week cycle Updated

[38532nd]

Everyone check out site updates from last cycle www.billyguns.com
Stats
height 6'2
start weight 220lbs body fat approx 16 %
current weight 235lbs. body fat approx 19%


The only measurement I really noticed drastically was bicep from 15.25 to 16.75 inches.....
current cycle
weeks 1-10 dbol pyramid from 15mg a day to 40 mg a day and back down to 15mg by week 10
week 2 Test E 250 mg
weeks 3-7 Test E 500mg
weeks 8-9 Test E 750 mg
weeks 10-15 Test E 600 mg
week 16 Test E 300mg

week 7 EQ 150mg
week 8-16 EQ 300mg
week 17 EQ 150mg

Starting Clen week 13\14 and week 17\18
Starting ECA week 11\12 and week 15\16

 

[Beachbum1546]

Pyramiding is an old school approach that is not needed with the copious amounts of ancilliaries available.

 

[mr. snakes]

Everyone check out site updates from last cycle www.billyguns.com
Stats
height 6'2
start weight 220lbs body fat approx 16 %
current weight 235lbs. body fat approx 19%


The only measurement I really noticed drastically was bicep from 15.25 to 16.75 inches.....
current cycle
weeks 1-10 dbol pyramid from 15mg a day to 40 mg a day and back down to 15mg by week 10
week 2 Test E 250 mg
weeks 3-7 Test E 500mg
weeks 8-9 Test E 750 mg
weeks 10-15 Test E 600 mg
week 16 Test E 300mg

week 7 EQ 150mg
week 8-16 EQ 300mg
week 17 EQ 150mg

Starting Clen week 13\14 and week 17\18
Starting ECA week 11\12 and week 15\16

Don't pyramid anything just keep gear set at one high dose the hole way through ................................

 

[SwolK]

run the test e at 500 mg the whole time.

also run at least 300mg of eq whole time. i would run 400mg the whole time

 

[X Man]

im not following how u ran that eq?

either way u def need to cut up... u got good size.. chizzel it

 

[bigtasty25]

that cycle he posted doesnt make any sense whatsoever to me..

instead of starting off at low doses of long acting esters he should be doing the EXACt oppsosite..and no need to run dbol for so long...20-25 mgs for your size for the first 3-4 weeks is enough...test e 500mgs throughout...as for the eq...why r u throwing it in there at such an odd time in the cycle r u trying to cut up then? if so, why r u adding in more plasma androgens/anabolics? that should be for bulking...its hard to comment on this since it doesnt look like he knows what hes doing

do this:
first 3 weeks 25mgs dbol
first 8 weeks 500mg test e
first 8 weeks 300mgs eq

simple, easy, and way more effective and planned out than your complicated cycle that doesnt seem to achieve much in accordance with keeping steady plasma levels, and having them at higher levels at certain times...

have u researched steroids before you posted this?

 

[bigtasty25]

ok...another question..i read some of that site and saw your current diet:
Morning Snack:
Corn or Choclate Chip Muffin



Lunch:
2 Chicken Breasts (Fried) or 16oz. Black Angus Steak
2 cups of Uncle Bens 90 second Rice




Dinner:
2 Chicken Cutlets or 2 Pork Chops
2 Cups of Mixed Vegetables
1 Large Sweet Potato
4 Cups of Rice
The Perso Shake:

24oz. Milk
8 Tbsp. Peanut Butter
3 Tbsp. Honey
2 Scoops Vanilla Ice Cream
1 Hell of a Weight Gainer
All Natural No Protein Powder Needed!!!



have you even researched how to eat properly at all? that looks almost as the avg overweight joe's diet...3 meals a day...and all crappy except for the dinner portion which should have less carbs ...
And this is also from your website...

http://www.billyguns.com/pages/1/index.htm

everyone please read this...he obviously doesnt give a shit about how to use roids..he sais so here straight up!!!
Bro...why the hell r u even on this board then if u dont give a shit how to use roids properly?
Is this thread a joke? Who's the real imposter behind all of this?
and yes..i am dead serious...

and no..im not going to apologize for being dead honest here...you need to research nutrition first before you even consider using ababolics, period!
go here: BODYBUILDING.COM..they have a ton of great articles on nutrition and otc supps you can use to help build a base before you even consider using steroids, which are not what you need at the moment because steroids wont do JACK for you with this kind of diet! All youll's get is a few lbs of muscle with more bodyfat (you shouldnt even be bulking at such a high bodyfat % have u even researched the disadvantages of being bodybuilding obese and the deleterious effects it can have on health/gains? Ill bet youre so out of breath after a heavy set you need at least 2.5-4 mins rest between sets...unbelievable...unbelievable...

this high dose tren, test, eq cycle is obviously adding to my fumigated temper from this post, ugh...im gunna have to stop reading these kinds of posts *takes a deep breath and laughs it off*..lol..

 

[gautho]

I still believe in pyrimiding to some degree, I know ya'll talk about the PCT ancillaries out today, yes they work to some degree, but they sure ain't magical. I crash way too hard without some pyrimiding down. I don't believe in pyrimiding every drug, but for me it's essential with testosterone. I believe low dose test is far more effective than any PCT out there. I consider my off cycle time 200mg test/week. Ask the pros what PCT they use and what they consider off time. Nothing old school about that.

 

[bigtasty25]

this guy who posted at the top is light years from owning a pro card ...


but yes bro, it makes sense supraphysiologically low test dose levels (higher than our normal test, but lower than an avg cycles test amount) will help achieve a sense of wellbeing and avoid a crash after a cycle...i mean hell..alot of guys take clomid/nolva/tribulus etc...but 200mg test prob does that and more..although nolva does stimulate LH well (if youre looking to come completely off...unless youre on year round, a low dose test is much a much better option...lower dose anabolics, no androgens cept maybe a little proviron)

 

[timtim]

poor planning and sub par results. you gained 15 pounds and 3% bf. less than half the gains were even muscle.

 

[gautho]

this guy who posted at the top is light years from owning a pro card ...


but yes bro, it makes sense supraphysiologically low test dose levels (higher than our normal test, but lower than an avg cycles test amount) will help achieve a sense of wellbeing and avoid a crash after a cycle...i mean hell..alot of guys take clomid/nolva/tribulus etc...but 200mg test prob does that and more..although nolva does stimulate LH well (if youre looking to come completely off...unless youre on year round, a low dose test is much a much better option...lower dose anabolics, no androgens cept maybe a little proviron)

I agree.

 

[growthspurt]

Dude, get on a stairmaster and learn how to train and eat proper before messing with the roids! Adding 3% bodyfat in 10 weeks is nothing to brag about!

 

[Apexx]

Pyramiding is an old school approach that is not needed with the copious amounts of ancilliaries available.

Not only is it not needed, it doesn't work. The body doesn't start producing natural test when it notices a decrease from extremely high levels. It will only begin producing test again when you fall below what your body conciders to be normal.

I still believe in pyrimiding to some degree, I know ya'll talk about the PCT ancillaries out today, yes they work to some degree, but they sure ain't magical. I crash way too hard without some pyrimiding down. I don't believe in pyrimiding every drug, but for me it's essential with testosterone. I believe low dose test is far more effective than any PCT out there. I consider my off cycle time 200mg test/week. Ask the pros what PCT they use and what they consider off time. Nothing old school about that.Then you bridge and never come off. The pros don't use pct because they stay on year round. This is horrible fucking advise to give someone who is interested in recovering from a cycle.

 

[bigtasty25]

eh gautho was thinking in quiet a bit more advanced fashion 1 step ahead ...us competitors arent used to seeing such bad cycles, although we have from time to time...i dont use nolva either or even clomid really as i never come off...but i use a smaller dose of ancillaries (arimi) when im off cycle on 100mgs test 400 primo, or 200 test 300 primo..maybe 1/4mg arimi eod or every 3rd day...didnt use any clomid or nolva after my show since i went straight to a bulking cycle..

 

[gautho]

Not only is it not needed, it doesn't work. The body doesn't start producing natural test when it notices a decrease from extremely high levels. It will only begin producing test again when you fall below what your body conciders to be normal.

I still believe in pyrimiding to some degree, I know ya'll talk about the PCT ancillaries out today, yes they work to some degree, but they sure ain't magical. I crash way too hard without some pyrimiding down. I don't believe in pyrimiding every drug, but for me it's essential with testosterone. I believe low dose test is far more effective than any PCT out there. I consider my off cycle time 200mg test/week. Ask the pros what PCT they use and what they consider off time. Nothing old school about that.
Then you bridge and never come off. The pros don't use pct because they stay on year round. This is horrible fucking advise to give someone who is interested in recovering from a cycle.

IMHO he just shouldn't get on.

 

[gautho]

eh gautho was thinking in quiet a bit more advanced fashion 1 step ahead ...us competitors arent used to seeing such bad cycles, although we have from time to time...i dont use nolva either or even clomid really as i never come off...but i use a smaller dose of ancillaries (arimi) when im off cycle on 100mgs test 400 primo, or 200 test 300 primo..maybe 1/4mg arimi eod or every 3rd day...didnt use any clomid or nolva after my show since i went straight to a bulking cycle..

Exactly, thank you!

 

[Apexx]

eh gautho was thinking in quiet a bit more advanced fashion 1 step ahead ...us competitors arent used to seeing such bad cycles, although we have from time to time...i dont use nolva either or even clomid really as i never come off...but i use a smaller dose of ancillaries (arimi) when im off cycle on 100mgs test 400 primo, or 200 test 300 primo..maybe 1/4mg arimi eod or every 3rd day...didnt use any clomid or nolva after my show since i went straight to a bulking cycle..

Yes he was, but that's like trying to teach advanced physics to a 10 year old. He's not ready for it, nor does he need it.

No offense 38532nd, just trying to make a point.

 

[maldorf]

I agree.

When you bridge like this, how long do you do it? Does it last longer than the average pct, which for me anymore is maybe 8 weeks?

 

[Bruce]

i really would like to see proof that gautho's pyramid method will fully recover someone. as apexx stated the body will not begin producing test because you are dropping levels. your just making blood levels uneven and you are still shut down. ive had more than one doctor tell me that hcg is essential after long cycles. i can provide proof that the testes can be permanently damaged without proper pct but if you can show us proof that using pyramid to come off makes recovery simple please do. staying on year round does not mean you are recovered

 

[gautho]

i really would like to see proof that gautho's pyramid method will fully recover someone. as apexx stated the body will not begin producing test because you are dropping levels. your just making blood levels uneven and you are still shut down. ive had more than one doctor tell me that hcg is essential after long cycles. i can provide proof that the testes can be permanently damaged without proper pct but if you can show us proof that using pyramid to come off makes recovery simple please do. staying on year round does not mean you are recovered

With respect to you Bruce410, I never said anything about fully recovering anyone, I'm talking about lessening crash, no matter what your body will attempt to resort back to pre-roid status, also I'm not anti-PCT, I just said it's not magical. I don't suggest everyone to stay on year round, however myself, I prefer to remain anabolic at all times. That's why I consider my off time at least 200mg test/week. As far as being a good role model giving out the perfect advice to the youth, IMO if you don't aspire to compete you really should just utilize proper training and diet because if your doing this for the ladies that's probably the wrong reason to do AS. As for as bridging, it's one of the ugly things about successful competitive BB'ing, if no bridging 2 steps forward than 2 steps back.

 

[bigtasty25]

When you bridge like this, how long do you do it? Does it last longer than the average pct, which for me anymore is maybe 8 weeks?

for me..im thinking 12 weeks since i havent taken a break in 9 months or so and made tons of progress in that time period...so my body needs some well needed rest for mental reasons(to avoid burnt out...im gaining like crazy now..but i know im mentally exhausted..all the supps, training, with school, etc etc)...i think it'll do my body good mentally..and definately..health wise more importantly..

 

[bigmodean]

Everyone check out site updates from last cycle www.billyguns.com
Stats
height 6'2
start weight 220lbs body fat approx 16 %
current weight 235lbs. body fat approx 19%


The only measurement I really noticed drastically was bicep from 15.25 to 16.75 inches.....
current cycle
weeks 1-10 dbol pyramid from 15mg a day to 40 mg a day and back down to 15mg by week 10
week 2 Test E 250 mg
weeks 3-7 Test E 500mg
weeks 8-9 Test E 750 mg
weeks 10-15 Test E 600 mg
week 16 Test E 300mg

week 7 EQ 150mg
week 8-16 EQ 300mg
week 17 EQ 150mg

Starting Clen week 13\14 and week 17\18
Starting ECA week 11\12 and week 15\16

Well,I guess you are in decent shape,if you were all natural,I had a buddy recently gain 17 lean lbs from a 5 weeker of whinny only,so I just cant see how you gianed only 15 lbs from 10-15 weeks of all that gear,maybe the pics dont so you justice,and you look bigger in real life,no offense bro',but maybe it was your diet, like alota' the guys here said....

 

[38532nd]

Thanks for the input guys I know I fuked up with my diet on this one but I am goona modify it for the last 8 weeks of this cycle and take it as a learning experience.....As for pyramiding it is the best according to science!!!Maybe not by local muscle head standard. If you just drastically cut off the use it is harder to recover naturally according to john hopkins university!!!!

 

[drrman]

BRO.....you know i've tried to help you out on other threads.....but do you like getting flamed and laughed at man???? you've posted about this cycle and your next cycle and then your updated cycle then your pics.....everytime posting your cycle and link to your site........we have both agreed this is a TRUE WRECK of a cycle.........you got a 7 page thread about this entire thing where i have tried to help you and many others have.....then you repost all this shit again with links to your site and just start getting all the same flames, all the same criticism, all the same jokes......TAKE DOWN YOUR SITE bro.....it could be a BAD piece of information for the young rookie bodybuilder who knows nothing......none of the information there is good information, and im not knocking you bro, but those pics are not something to really brag about!

15lbs in 10 weeks with all that juice and also gaining that much bodyfat???? that could have been done without juice and changing up your diet.

so sit back and do some reading and questions on your future cycle, quit posting up this horrid one with your horrid diet man? do you enjoy this?

 

[gautho]

When you bridge like this, how long do you do it? Does it last longer than the average pct, which for me anymore is maybe 8 weeks?

At least 6 weeks for me, but usually depends on what my contest plans are for that season and my availability of getting what gear I need. So it does vary, just remember it is an abusive technique used by competitive BB'ers at a higher level. Not exactly what I'd recommend to someone not constantly competing.

 

[drrman]

Thanks for the input guys I know I fuked up with my diet on this one but I am goona modify it for the last 8 weeks of this cycle and take it as a learning experience.....As for pyramiding it is the best according to science!!!Maybe not by local muscle head standard. If you just drastically cut off the use it is harder to recover naturally according to john hopkins university!!!!

since when does john hopkins university administer 750mg of testosterone per week to anyone? along with 10 weeks of dball?

if you researched john hopkins more than you researched elitefitness.....then that is your first problem!.....but i'd bet even john hopkins would tell you protein builds muscle

you have to remember they are speaking in medical terms bro....we are NOT using this stuff according to medical standards.......we as a group here are speaking from years of personal experience.....years of reading others experience.......years of evaluating our cycles and looking at blood test results while on cycle, right after cycle, 8 weeks after cycle............we are not john hopkins..........we have experimented, documented and learned the way to take these drugs in a fashion which they would never do...EVER

 

[Ozz2001]

I am sure you feel like you bulked up but its a sloppy look....Keep working on it you will find the key..
Swear i seen no more live urls,you should check it out bro i think the word ban was in that post....Hate to see yea go before you get started...At least you had the balls to post up your picture more then i can say for others, good luck..

 

[shape]

this has to be a joke no??? this guy doesnt even look like he trains and looks alot more than 19%

 

[gautho]

Ever notice tall people and he is 6ft 2in have trouble packing weight on, so maybe 15lbs for him is monumental. Just saying, theres something about being tall and linky.

 

[drrman]

Ever notice tall people and he is 6ft 2in have trouble packing weight on, so maybe 15lbs for him is monumental. Just saying, theres something about being tall and linky.

agree taller peolpe have a tougher time putting on noticeable weight, but 15 lbs....come on....and 3% raise in BF....someting was NOT right with this entire cycle....and he's been told this on four different threads and he keeps posting it up for more criticism

im 6'1" tall and i put on 35 my first cycle that i actually planned out....the weight comes on to taller people as well.....just doesn't show as much as on shorter people......i.e. a 5'5" tall guy put on 10 lbs and looks like he put on 30....tall guy puts on 30 and looks like he put on 15

 

[Bruce]

fair enough bro. i'm just saying that the wrong kid is gonna come on and think 200mg of test is a good pct cause they read what they want. you know what your doing and thats cool but remember a lot of guys aren't competing and should not bridge. i do this for myself and no one else. i think you do under estimate an agressive pct but there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism. peace

With respect to you Bruce410, I never said anything about fully recovering anyone, I'm talking about lessening crash, no matter what your body will attempt to resort back to pre-roid status, also I'm not anti-PCT, I just said it's not magical. I don't suggest everyone to stay on year round, however myself, I prefer to remain anabolic at all times. That's why I consider my off time at least 200mg test/week. As far as being a good role model giving out the perfect advice to the youth, IMO if you don't aspire to compete you really should just utilize proper training and diet because if your doing this for the ladies that's probably the wrong reason to do AS. As for as bridging, it's one of the ugly things about successful competitive BB'ing, if no bridging 2 steps forward than 2 steps back.

 

[Ozz2001]

agree taller peolpe have a tougher time putting on noticeable weight, but 15 lbs....come on....and 3% raise in BF....someting was NOT right with this entire cycle....and he's been told this on four different threads and he keeps posting it up for more criticism

im 6'1" tall and i put on 35 my first cycle that i actually planned out....the weight comes on to taller people as well.....just doesn't show as much as on shorter people......i.e. a 5'5" tall guy put on 10 lbs and looks like he put on 30....tall guy puts on 30 and looks like he put on 15

Good point there...

 

[38532nd]

I never came on and judged negatively on anyone. If you get off your ass and try that's all that counts!!!! look at the obesity rate in this country......Give people credit where credit is due!!!

 

[JumpBallWinner]

Thanks for the input guys I know I fuked up with my diet on this one but I am goona modify it for the last 8 weeks of this cycle and take it as a learning experience.....As for pyramiding it is the best according to science!!!Maybe not by local muscle head standard. If you just drastically cut off the use it is harder to recover naturally according to john hopkins university!!!!

I know I don't post alot, but this aggrivates me a tad.

You obviously didn't even do enough research before starting to use AAS to even know what pct is. If you had, you'd know that is what people are comparing your tapering method to, not just quitting everything all together and letting test levels restore themselves naturally.

And what the fuck is with the "local muscle head standard" shit? You don't even know what in the hell the bros on here are trying to tell you...you come here looking for their advice....they try to help you correct a mistake you are making....and you respond with some half-assed insult toward the entire community because you think your some kind of expert now that you've read a study by some asshole at John Hopkins university, who's physique probably looks just as shitty as yours does, concerning a method that isn't even relavent to what's being discussed here.

You are saying that we are wrong to suggest a pct program would be more effective than tapering since you read a study that shows that tapering is more effective than discontinuing a cycle without tapering or pct. You don't even realize how far off base you are with that line of thinking, and with the attitude you've displayed towards people trying to help you, I doubt you ever will.

 

[monopoly19]

I never came on and judged negatively on anyone. If you get off your ass and try that's all that counts!!!! look at the obesity rate in this country......Give people credit where credit is due!!!

Oh, NO. Can't ...............Help................from..................posting..................moron............................ignoring..............................good.advice..............head.........pounding

Dude, you get no credit. You are now over 15% at 6"2, 220lbs. I'm sorry, but this is shit considering you have used anabolics. I'm not big by any means, but I under 15%, and over 220 before I used anything, and I'm 6"3.

Multiple people have said your diet is bad, and it does suck moose cock.

Your cycle makes no sense, and you are fighting everyone who is offering good advice. Quit your cycle right now. Do a good pct, learn how to eat, train for another year and the come back and ask for some comments on decent layout after you have researched it.

Monopoly

 

[viczeva]

and i was just gonna show u guys my site...

 

[Ozz2001]

Thanks for the input guys I know I fuked up with my diet on this one but I am goona modify it for the last 8 weeks of this cycle and take it as a learning experience.....As for pyramiding it is the best according to science!!!Maybe not by local muscle head standard. If you just drastically cut off the use it is harder to recover naturally according to john hopkins university!!!!

Hears a idea,do 250 a week of test for 4 weeks.Start your pct and diet your ass off and cut up and see what yea got left to work with afterwards.All that dbol and high test just watered yea out...Then plan your next trip alittle better...GL

 

[rg78]

agree taller peolpe have a tougher time putting on noticeable weight, but 15 lbs....come on....and 3% raise in BF....someting was NOT right with this entire cycle....and he's been told this on four different threads and he keeps posting it up for more criticism

im 6'1" tall and i put on 35 my first cycle that i actually planned out....the weight comes on to taller people as well.....just doesn't show as much as on shorter people......i.e. a 5'5" tall guy put on 10 lbs and looks like he put on 30....tall guy puts on 30 and looks like he put on 15

I agree, Im 6,3 and went from 180 to 225 in 18 months naturally with just diet and training 3days a week. Things have slowed down now and im having trouble getting to 245 but it will come.

P.S 38352nd or whatever your handle is can you please remove that dumbass picture of yourself it piss's me off. Thanks

 

[rykertest]

I never came on and judged negatively on anyone. If you get off your ass and try that's all that counts!!!! look at the obesity rate in this country......Give people credit where credit is due!!!

regardless of all of this, black out your face on those pics man. You are doing illegal gear after all. That and I would bet your face is now attached to some gay midget porno actors body on a fetish site out of bangkok. Geesh.

 

[shrimp44]

hey billy gunz put a shirt on and read and listen to these guys first, they are very very very helpful a lot better then going on google and typing in "good Steroid Cycles"
Your asking for helping and telling us your cycle but your not listening to the help we are giving you, and your not following through with the basics, all your obsessed with is your site, I started off reading the bio on it, thinking i was gonna be impressed with the person i saw in the gallery but man....... lol

 

[bicepts101]

With respect to you Bruce410, I never said anything about fully recovering anyone, I'm talking about lessening crash, no matter what your body will attempt to resort back to pre-roid status, also I'm not anti-PCT, I just said it's not magical. I don't suggest everyone to stay on year round, however myself, I prefer to remain anabolic at all times. That's why I consider my off time at least 200mg test/week. As far as being a good role model giving out the perfect advice to the youth, IMO if you don't aspire to compete you really should just utilize proper training and diet because if your doing this for the ladies that's probably the wrong reason to do AS. As for as bridging, it's one of the ugly things about successful competitive BB'ing, if no bridging 2 steps forward than 2 steps back.

exatly...the whole idea of pyramiding is to lower ANGROGEN levels. androgen levels are much lower at 200mg rather 1000mg. your body can adjust and recover quicker from that.

 

[Zuperman]

wait till u guys see my pics!!!

 

[theprofessor]

Multiple people have said your diet is bad, and it does suck moose cock.
Monopoly

 

[maldorf]

At least 6 weeks for me, but usually depends on what my contest plans are for that season and my availability of getting what gear I need. So it does vary, just remember it is an abusive technique used by competitive BB'ers at a higher level. Not exactly what I'd recommend to someone not constantly competing.

Its just the factor you described of going 2 steps forward and then 2 steps back when you go on PCT. I find if I extend PCT too long I almost end up back where I started. Been using for many years now and lifting for over 20 years. The last cycle I did I did 8 weeks PCT and then did 250 mg test e/wk for 3 weeks. Then I started my next cycle. Used to be able to do the 1:1 ratio for time on time off, but cant get by with that now anymore.

 

[toxicsambo]

BRO.....you know i've tried to help you out on other threads.....but do you like getting flamed and laughed at man???? you've posted about this cycle and your next cycle and then your updated cycle then your pics.....everytime posting your cycle and link to your site........we have both agreed this is a TRUE WRECK of a cycle.........you got a 7 page thread about this entire thing where i have tried to help you and many others have.....then you repost all this shit again with links to your site and just start getting all the same flames, all the same criticism, all the same jokes......TAKE DOWN YOUR SITE bro.....it could be a BAD piece of information for the young rookie bodybuilder who knows nothing......none of the information there is good information, and im not knocking you bro, but those pics are not something to really brag about!

15lbs in 10 weeks with all that juice and also gaining that much bodyfat???? that could have been done without juice and changing up your diet.

so sit back and do some reading and questions on your future cycle, quit posting up this horrid one with your horrid diet man? do you enjoy this?

Man....I'm seriously holding myself back. I'm just laughing and shaking my head. I think I would have a little sympathy if the billyguns web site never existed. I mean...roflmao. I had bigger arms at 16. I'm not a fkn ripped adonis, but I never gained bf on gear, it was becasue my diet sucked and I was lazy during my off time. This is proof that gear in the wrong hands, with wrong advice, and with the wrong diet is a TOTAL WASTE. 15 lbs of weight, not even good muscle. A tren only cycle for 6 weeks could give me 15 lbs solid.
If Palumbo gave him this advice, it explains why he too looks like shit.

 

[gautho]

Man....I'm seriously holding myself back. I'm just laughing and shaking my head. I think I would have a little sympathy if the billyguns web site never existed. I mean...roflmao. I had bigger arms at 16. I'm not a fkn ripped adonis, but I never gained bf on gear, it was becasue my diet sucked and I was lazy during my off time. This is proof that gear in the wrong hands, with wrong advice, and with the wrong diet is a TOTAL WASTE. 15 lbs of weight, not even good muscle. A tren only cycle for 6 weeks could give me 15 lbs solid.
If Palumbo gave him this advice, it explains why he too looks like shit.

I'm gonna add to your karma bros!

 

[steelmass]

Your training/diet sucks.

 

[diesel24]

Wow. What a waist of juice.

 

[cityhick]

Your diet/Ideas/progress/training as you would say "JUST SUCK THE BIG DONKEY NUTS!!!" That was the worst web page I have ever seen. Who would want to brag about that....

 

[Advisor_x]

Respect your balls to post all the info that you got on the webpage, stick to training and working hard bro.....peace

 

[shrimp44]

what a fuckin fat waste!! he flexes like his Scott Steiner

 

[maldorf]

You have to give the guy a little bit of credit for having the guts to post himself on the web like that, even though it is unwarranted. A bit overzealous and ignorant to bodybuilding. I hope that you open your ears and listen to some of the more experienced folks here, most of us like to help others. I do think the guys are being a bit too hard on you, and I give you credit for having the guts to make your website. I do hope that you take it down though and revamp it, and then bring it back up once you have learned a bit more.

 

[38532nd]

I listen to alot of people with an open mind!!!! But god damn if you guys aren't all a bunch of losers....I mean come on anyone can come on here and flex what they don't have but at least some make a damn good effort to give it there all.....You guys call yourselves BRO's how can that be when all you guys do is poke fun at each other instead of lending a hand .....I mean come on guys instead of mocking you guys should lend solid advice if you even have any tha's valid I don't see you guys getting off your asses to post pics come on get a life guys......

 

[Neo22]

I listen to alot of people with an open mind!!!! But god damn if you guys aren't all a bunch of losers....I mean come on anyone can come on here and flex what they don't have but at least some make a damn good effort to give it there all.....You guys call yourselves BRO's how can that be when all you guys do is poke fun at each other instead of lending a hand .....I mean come on guys instead of mocking you guys should lend solid advice if you even have any tha's valid I don't see you guys getting off your asses to post pics come on get a life guys......

Like we all have said you are the loser that didn't make an effort to get his training and diet down to a T before he decided to juice. I know 16 yo's that look better than you. WHat you need to do is quit with the name calling, work on your diet, training, quit your cycle, and try to recover what you have left of a liver. Then come back to the board, post up asking for constructive feedback without being egocentric. If that word was too large for you, then perhaps you need to read a few books.

 

[cboogsrun]

Just keep learning bro. You'll have to count calories and fine tune your diet to find cutting calories, maintanence calories and bulk calories. And to find those numbers takes a bit, everyone is different. I don't have an idea of what my bulk calories are. When I say that I mean I put on some fat with my muscle, if I gave enough effort I could figure out how many calories I need to get to my goals and lessen the increased BF. There's so much shit out there, if you learned all of what these guys propose you'd never juice. In all honesty I would get your gear tested, you shouldn't put on 3%BF while juicing, maybe add some water. Good luck and good learning

 

[immortalis]

Like we all have said you are the loser that didn't make an effort to get his training and diet down to a T before he decided to juice. I know 16 yo's that look better than you. WHat you need to do is quit with the name calling, work on your diet, training, quit your cycle, and try to recover what you have left of a liver. Then come back to the board, post up asking for constructive feedback without being egocentric. If that word was too large for you, then perhaps you need to read a few books.

To the original poster: I hope you at least pull a learning experience out of this... because thats the only positive I think you can find in this one man.

 

[SwolK]

this is a quote off of his website:

"REMEMBER THIS IF YOU REMEMBER ANYTHING ........
ONLY TREES GROW NATURALLY
GOD DAMN IT!!!!"

it is that mentality that give AS a bad name. you and everyone CAN grow naturally. it is that kind of stupid mentality that makes a bunch of 18 year olds think that they need AS to grow. you give AS a bad rep

 

[steelmass]

omg. that is the exact quote that made me think that you were a complete moron.

You registered for this site a year ago yet you haven't learned anything. Go read the diet forums first and foremost - cuz you have no clue.

calling us losers now - bro, just stick around and research. you'll be happy you did.

 

[rykertest]

I listen to alot of people with an open mind!!!! But god damn if you guys aren't all a bunch of losers....I mean come on anyone can come on here and flex what they don't have but at least some make a damn good effort to give it there all.....You guys call yourselves BRO's how can that be when all you guys do is poke fun at each other instead of lending a hand .....I mean come on guys instead of mocking you guys should lend solid advice if you even have any tha's valid I don't see you guys getting off your asses to post pics come on get a life guys......

man I tried really hard to not slam you like some of the guys did (all be it with good reason) but man, I just wasted about 20 minutes reading up on your site man and I have to say.....I don't know what to say. Congratulations on being one of a small handful of people that are so utterly wrong/ignorant/insane that I have nothing to say. But alas, I shall try. Your diet, SUCKS. Your routine SUCKS. Your Gallery SUCKS. Your comments page SUCKS. And your gear cycle....OH MAN IT SUCKS. Your website overall is a misused cut and paste nightmare. It seems as though you are trying to be a motivational speaker/personal trainer/model all rolled into one, and man it is failing BIGTIME. Your first course of action would be to take that website down ASAP.

While I do applaud you for doing something (because you are right, most people especially Americans are fat and lazy) your methods and outcome is not at all the desired one. Your situation is like changing the oil in a car that has 20K miles on the same 5 quarts only to replace it with vinegar. The oil does need to be changed, but using vinegar only does more damage than good and the end result is horrible. After all that has been said I know it will be hard to take any advice from the guys on here but I will encourage you to try and do just that. Look at the mods and vets on here as the mechanics for your body. They can show you how to use "synthetic oil" so to speak and get the most out of your one day fine tuned engine. If you continue down the path you are on...NOTHING good will come from it and you will become an official laughing stock to all around you.

 

[drrman]

I listen to alot of people with an open mind!!!! But god damn if you guys aren't all a bunch of losers....I mean come on anyone can come on here and flex what they don't have but at least some make a damn good effort to give it there all.....You guys call yourselves BRO's how can that be when all you guys do is poke fun at each other instead of lending a hand .....I mean come on guys instead of mocking you guys should lend solid advice if you even have any tha's valid I don't see you guys getting off your asses to post pics come on get a life guys......

so now we are all losers bro.....take what ryker said above my post and believe it bro.......i and others have tried helping on NUMEROUS times on the 5 other threads you've made about this cycle and your diet.....one minute you are bulking, then leaning up, then leaning up on a bulking diet.......just forget everything you think you know about bodybuilding and take down that VERY mis informative site man.......the ask some "specific" questions based on research you do here and other places like i have already told you to do, then me and others will be glad to answer them.......BUT if you think you already know the best way and do NOT want our advice then just keep up the horrible progress you've "not" been making already bro. You are WAY wrong in your theories and what you think works for your goals. And when you ask these questions QUIT posting links to that site because when people see that they automatically think of you as a moron and will start flaming and laughing before trying to help

 

[Outtlaw]

LMAO This thread is hallarious. Im still trippin off you calling yourself "billyguns". Im not even gonna try and diss anybody though. All I can say is keep workin at it. Remember, it's not so much how you look at the start, but it's about the improvements you make and how you look at the end.

 

[cboogsrun]

man I tried really hard to not slam you like some of the guys did (all be it with good reason) but man, I just wasted about 20 minutes reading up on your site man and I have to say.....I don't know what to say. Congratulations on being one of a small handful of people that are so utterly wrong/ignorant/insane that I have nothing to say. But alas, I shall try. Your diet, SUCKS. Your routine SUCKS. Your Gallery SUCKS. Your comments page SUCKS. And your gear cycle....OH MAN IT SUCKS. Your website overall is a misused cut and paste nightmare. It seems as though you are trying to be a motivational speaker/personal trainer/model all rolled into one, and man it is failing BIGTIME. Your first course of action would be to take that website down ASAP.

While I do applaud you for doing something (because you are right, most people especially Americans are fat and lazy) your methods and outcome is not at all the desired one. Your situation is like changing the oil in a car that has 20K miles on the same 5 quarts only to replace it with vinegar. The oil does need to be changed, but using vinegar only does more damage than good and the end result is horrible. After all that has been said I know it will be hard to take any advice from the guys on here but I will encourage you to try and do just that. Look at the mods and vets on here as the mechanics for your body. They can show you how to use "synthetic oil" so to speak and get the most out of your one day fine tuned engine. If you continue down the path you are on...NOTHING good will come from it and you will become an official laughing stock to all around you.

Well all the fat and lazy americans say kiss our fat asses. We dominate sports like no other country has in history. We take home more medals at the olympics, our pro athletes make more money than any other countries do. Thats why people from all over the world come here. Being fat and being lazy are 2 different things. Americans per ratio are more obese, the funny thing is being american can mean you have german, chinese, jewish, brazilian and all kinds of different ancestry. USA is a god blessed country.

 

[ortiz34]

I actually think this is all a joke by someone. This is too funny to make up.

 

[rykertest]

Well all the fat and lazy americans say kiss our fat asses. We dominate sports like no other country has in history. We take home more medals at the olympics, our pro athletes make more money than any other countries do. Thats why people from all over the world come here. Being fat and being lazy are 2 different things. Americans per ratio are more obese, the funny thing is being american can mean you have german, chinese, jewish, brazilian and all kinds of different ancestry. USA is a god blessed country.

Yes and being an American working temp. overseas, I agree. However, don't let your patriotic view (which I do share by the way) let you lose sight of the FACT that Americans are the most unhealthy overall of just about any nation (except for 3rd world countries of course). You don't see electric carts in the dusseldorf germany walmart.

 

[Quadsweep]

that cycle he posted doesnt make any sense whatsoever to me..

instead of starting off at low doses of long acting esters he should be doing the EXACt oppsosite..and no need to run dbol for so long...20-25 mgs for your size for the first 3-4 weeks is enough...test e 500mgs throughout...as for the eq...why r u throwing it in there at such an odd time in the cycle r u trying to cut up then? if so, why r u adding in more plasma androgens/anabolics? that should be for bulking...its hard to comment on this since it doesnt look like he knows what hes doing

do this:
first 3 weeks 25mgs dbol
first 8 weeks 500mg test e
first 8 weeks 300mgs eq

simple, easy, and way more effective and planned out than your complicated cycle that doesnt seem to achieve much in accordance with keeping steady plasma levels, and having them at higher levels at certain times...

have u researched steroids before you posted this?

Yea! Saved me all that typing! THANK YOU! Really Karma. Do exactly what he said...you do not run dbol for 10 fuckin weeks man! get your chem 30 done at the lab and see what that AST/ALT, LDH, Alkaline Phosphatate...hell probably Creatinin,BUN and a few others...did you use any protectants? I am only raggin you so bad for your own good as BigTasty asked..did you research this? its your health.

Q.

 

[UA_Iron]

shit in

shit out

sorry but the truth hurts.

 

[serapio2]

Everyone should check his website, is fucking hilarious!!!, especialy the year famous quotes " cheeseburguers and creatine baby" hahahah oh shhhit!!
and the other one " huge fucking legs" can´t believe this stuff LOL.

 

[hoopsmx]

"Billy Guns" please take down your site.
You were just fat and got even fatter on juice, while also messing up your body.

If what you want is to gain fat, just keep training and eating like you are and stop the juice (you're wasting money and hurting your health).

Please drop whatever literature you have on body building to the trash, together with your ego and start all over again. Lear how to eat, learn how to train this time really invetigate and study (from the right sources) how to do it right.

Maybe in 5 - 10 more years you might be able to think again about using AAS, but pleae don't do it until you go down to at least 12-13% BF NATURALLY...

You can do it! -- Anyone can do it!!

 

[Tallguy1]

"I hope you got your tickets to the gun show!"

 

[mlong23]

What a fucking joke. I would thank Palumbo too if he did that to me.

Did anyone see the fanny pack from 2005.

 

[asif]

I think its fair to say that BillyGunz is not the smartest dude in the world.

Dude just relax and be yourself you aint fooling anyone with this stupid shit.

Ace.

 

[Maverick]

roider alert

 

[heatherrae]

Peanut butter milkshakes everyday? Sounds yummy, I have to admit! However, I think you should step back and evaluate your diet and training and QUIT the steroids at least until someone in the know really tells you that you are ready for them. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but your website seems a little delusional. There is no way you could make enough improvements to be a pro bb with that sort of training and diet. When I looked at your site, I thought the guy on the front was you, so I read your bio. I was shocked when I read " Soon I learned the truth behind all the top pros. No it was not hard work but rather the wonderful invention we have come to know as STEROIDS." Right then I knew the cover guy could not be you. So I went to the gallery and saw what I expected to see from a guy who thinks it is not hard work.

Bottom line -- steroids are not a shortcut to reach your goals. Keep doing what you have done and you will continue to get what you have gotten.