Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below
napsgear
genezapharmateuticals
domestic-supply
puritysourcelabs
UGL OZ
UGFREAK
napsgeargenezapharmateuticals domestic-supplypuritysourcelabsUGL OZUGFREAK

Phyto Testosterone Log

  • Thread starter Thread starter jeremy02
  • Start date Start date
Hey, I don't mean to hijack, but I was just reading a brief on patentstorm.com and saw this about 5-methyl-7-methoxy isoflavone (one of the major components of phyto-test)...

Eric, any thoughts on this to put our minds at ease?

---------------------------------------------------------------------

However, the effectiveness of the prodrug 5-methyl-7-methoxy isoflavone has been limited due to difficulties that the human body encounters in converting the prodrug to its parent isoflavone in vivo. In some instances, its conversion into the desired parent compound, 7-hydroxy-5-methyl-isoflavone, is limited, for example, because it is removed from the system through the "first pass effect," wherein the compound is metabolized by the liver prior to reaching general circulation. A large proportion of the prodrug also either does not undergo conversion or converts into undesirable products. It is estimated that approximately 50% of the prodrug 5-methyl-7-methoxy isoflavone administered to a human is converted in vivo to 7-hydroxy-5-methyl-isoflavone. Even where the desired bioconversion occurs, the rate of conversion can be sufficiently low that undesirably large quantities of the prodrug must be taken to achieve desired effects. This itself can have undesirable side effects.

It is advantageous in many instances to have a prodrug that may be administered in a convenient form, such as by oral, or sublingual administration. Many prodrugs have not been amenable to such administration, however, because they tend to be broken down prior to absorption in vivo when administered in this fashion.
 
njmuscleguy said:
Hey, I don't mean to hijack, but I was just reading a brief on patentstorm.com and saw this about 5-methyl-7-methoxy isoflavone (one of the major components of phyto-test)...

Eric, any thoughts on this to put our minds at ease?

---------------------------------------------------------------------

However, the effectiveness of the prodrug 5-methyl-7-methoxy isoflavone has been limited due to difficulties that the human body encounters in converting the prodrug to its parent isoflavone in vivo. In some instances, its conversion into the desired parent compound, 7-hydroxy-5-methyl-isoflavone, is limited, for example, because it is removed from the system through the "first pass effect," wherein the compound is metabolized by the liver prior to reaching general circulation. A large proportion of the prodrug also either does not undergo conversion or converts into undesirable products. It is estimated that approximately 50% of the prodrug 5-methyl-7-methoxy isoflavone administered to a human is converted in vivo to 7-hydroxy-5-methyl-isoflavone. Even where the desired bioconversion occurs, the rate of conversion can be sufficiently low that undesirably large quantities of the prodrug must be taken to achieve desired effects. This itself can have undesirable side effects.

It is advantageous in many instances to have a prodrug that may be administered in a convenient form, such as by oral, or sublingual administration. Many prodrugs have not been amenable to such administration, however, because they tend to be broken down prior to absorption in vivo when administered in this fashion.

Yes, that is part of Biotest’s patent that they supplied for their carbonate ester version of methoxyisoflavone. It’s a very vague patent that doesn’t provide any references for a majority of the key points they make. (I have no idea what the “undesirable side effects” are.) Maybe it was a clever way for them to re-patent an unpatentable drug by attaching a carbonate ester to it. (giving them more protected profits)

Our Phyto-Test is delivered in a sublingual/buccal liquid delivery formula so its considerably better then tablet or pill delivery. One thing you can do to maximize the effectiveness of Phyto-Test is taking it multiple times per day while making sure you evenly spread your doses apart to keep steady blood levels (12hrs apart for 2x day, or 6hrs apart for 3x per day, ect)

-Pp
 
But what about the mention that the liver destroys most of it before it's made available to the sytem? (first-pass).... this can be argued for most orals really...this is why alot of doctors think that most supplements are crap by the way....so I was hoping you'd say that something specific about phyto-test ensures that the key ingredients are as bioavailable as possible.

I just started using it...believe me, I WANT it to work
 
njmuscleguy said:
But what about the mention that the liver destroys most of it before it's made available to the sytem? (first-pass).... this can be argued for most orals really...this is why alot of doctors think that most supplements are crap by the way....so I was hoping you'd say that something specific about phyto-test ensures that the key ingredients are as bioavailable as possible.

I just started using it...believe me, I WANT it to work

Even with our enhanced delivery system, there is still metabolism and ingredient sacrifice that takes place in the body (in the blood stream, liver, ect). It’s just a part of the drug pharmacokinetics. You just need to be sure that enough is getting in the system to have a desired effect. (which we know you are getting)

-Pp
 
Last edited:
Primordial Performance said:
Even with our enhanced delivery system, there is still metabolism and ingredient sacrifice that takes place in they body (in the blood stream, liver, ect). It’s just a part of the drug pharmacokinetics. You just need to be sure that enough is getting in the system to have a desired effect. (which we know you are getting)

-Pp

Ok, that works for me... I'll let the results say the rest :)

Thanks!
 
They are trying to scare you into accepting a plea deal by charging you with ten counts. Have your lawyer flood the Prosecutor with discovery (evidence) requests. Also have your lawyer enter a Motion to Dismiss based on lack of evidence.

Keep on top of your lawyer. You really need to force them to do any work. Most lawyers stink and won't return your phone calls once they have your money.
 
njmuscleguy said:
In terms of what? Gains? Size? Ehh... not sure...maybe it helps in part.

As far as how it makes you feel, yes, it works great! Definitely helps with libido and overall sense of well-being and energy. That's the main reason I use it and if it does anything else beyond that, that's icing on the cake for me!

I also like it as a mild, more natural alternative to jump-start a cycle.
good post .. agreed for the most part .. derma boosted my sex drive quite a bit.. gave me that sense of well being ...slight aggression increase (actually liked lol) . and felt a slight strength increase .. didnt notice much in size gain though .. if the new stuff could provide that it would be an excellent mix
 
hurricane187 said:
good post .. agreed for the most part .. derma boosted my sex drive quite a bit.. gave me that sense of well being ...slight aggression increase (actually liked lol) . and felt a slight strength increase .. didnt notice much in size gain though .. if the new stuff could provide that it would be an excellent mix

Yes, and this is exactly why we say stack the two. ;-)

-Pp
 
Mugshot109 said:
They are trying to scare you into accepting a plea deal by charging you with ten counts. Have your lawyer flood the Prosecutor with discovery (evidence) requests. Also have your lawyer enter a Motion to Dismiss based on lack of evidence.

Keep on top of your lawyer. You really need to force them to do any work. Most lawyers stink and won't return your phone calls once they have your money.


My lawyer is pretty good. I printed out where my neighbor admitted he did "most"(basically all)of the calls, and my dad took it to my lawyer this morning. He should be taking it to the DA pretty soon.


Hopefully I can get out of this shit with no record, but it doesn't look like it.</font>
 
Top Bottom