PCT Question, Clomid depression and Tanning..

[GreedyJane]

Hi, ive just done a cycle of test cyp, anavar, and dbol.
This is my PCT..
WK1 - - - 100MG CLOMID/20MG NOLVA ED
WK2 - - - 50MG CLOMID/20MG NOLVA ED
WK3 - - - 50MG CLOMID/ 20MG NOLVA ED
WK4 - - - 20MG NOLVA ED

My question is, im afraid by all the talk of depression..
Ive felt so GREAT on steroids, theyve changed my life, this was only my first cycle and i start PCT on the 14th of this month.
I look better, im tanned, muscular and ripped..confident etc etc
But, about a year ago i was deep in depression and i just better admit it..i was..
Im worried that this is gonna get me..

Also, i know this may sound stupid but..

Using SunBeds has also been a revelation for me, it has (i think) along with steroids helped my mindset and makes me less depressed.
Do you think that tanning while on PCT might help?

Thanks,
Please someone reply.
Last time i posted here about 6 months ago, i posted a few times but nobody replied..
Sometimes i wonder if anyone is even here..

 

[stevesmi]

with that pct you put together it won't be a fun ride

 

[GreedyJane]

with that pct you put together it won't be a fun ride

Ok man..

Why not?

That PCT was designed for me by the person that provides my gear, he knows the cycle i ran and he knows me.
He also has a good knowledge of AAS.
Not that you dont, i dont know you..
But please elaborate as to why you think that PCT protocol is lackluster.
Cheers.

 

[Jbranken]

Some guys do experience a bit of depression on serms but probably not as often as you'd think. If you go into pct with the mindset of being depressed then you've already lost. The depression can also come from losing the euphoric feeling of being on juice. Mix that with mood swings that serms may potentially give you and there is always a possibility.

My best advice is pick one SERM, lower the dose, and use OTC supplements that help give you the "on feeling". This has been my method of pct and now I actually look forward to it. Try a few test boosters, creatine, BCAA and so on. The addition is ostarine can also help solidify gains and keep you feeling on top. Keep working hard in pct and you'll get through just fine.

 

[GreedyJane]

Some guys do experience a bit of depression on serms but probably not as often as you'd think. If you go into pct with the mindset of being depressed then you've already lost. The depression can also come from losing the euphoric feeling of being on juice. Mix that with mood swings that serms may potentially give you and there is always a possibility.

My best advice is pick one SERM, lower the dose, and use OTC supplements that help give you the "on feeling". This has been my method of pct and now I actually look forward to it. Try a few test boosters, creatine, BCAA and so on. The addition is ostarine can also help solidify gains and keep you feeling on top. Keep working hard in pct and you'll get through just fine.

Thanks for the optimism.

I myself am the same and will be approaching this with the idea in mind that its not gonna get me.

However, i was worried that it was inevitable and that theirs nothing i can do. So, thanks for clarifying it for me and breaking it down.
There is some light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[dylangemelli]

Hi, ive just done a cycle of test cyp, anavar, and dbol.
This is my PCT..
WK1 - - - 100MG CLOMID/20MG NOLVA ED
WK2 - - - 50MG CLOMID/20MG NOLVA ED
WK3 - - - 50MG CLOMID/ 20MG NOLVA ED
WK4 - - - 20MG NOLVA ED

My question is, im afraid by all the talk of depression..
Ive felt so GREAT on steroids, theyve changed my life, this was only my first cycle and i start PCT on the 14th of this month.
I look better, im tanned, muscular and ripped..confident etc etc
But, about a year ago i was deep in depression and i just better admit it..i was..
Im worried that this is gonna get me..

Also, i know this may sound stupid but..

Using SunBeds has also been a revelation for me, it has (i think) along with steroids helped my mindset and makes me less depressed.
Do you think that tanning while on PCT might help?

Thanks,
Please someone reply.
Last time i posted here about 6 months ago, i posted a few times but nobody replied..
Sometimes i wonder if anyone is even here..

with that pct, you are going to get the negative side effects that you have heard about and you will have a terrible pct... you will have a harder time keeping gains as well... you can't be serious about the tanning bro... come on...

you are dosing clomid way too high at 100 mg... you also have a very incomplete pct... here is a strong pct that will get you recovered smoothly and quickly and keep you feeling great as well... after pct, go right into a triple sarms stack and you will never feel like you ever came off cycle...

pct

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
phytoserms n2bm.com
hcgenerate n2bm.com
aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

OPTIONAL

Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM




USE COUPON CODE DYLAN10 AT NEEDTOBUILDMUSCLE.COM FOR 10% OFF…



sarms triple stack...

1-8 Ostarine 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-8 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-8 GW-510516 10-20 mg day... split doses 12 hours apart
1-8 HcGenerate n2bm.com
1-8 N2guard n2bm.com
3-8 Albuterol 12-18 mg day ag-guys.com
Mini pct 9-12

Hcgenerate ES n2bm.com

 

[GreedyJane]

with that pct, you are going to get the negative side effects that you have heard about and you will have a terrible pct... you will have a harder time keeping gains as well... you can't be serious about the tanning bro... come on...

you are dosing clomid way too high at 100 mg... you also have a very incomplete pct... here is a strong pct that will get you recovered smoothly and quickly and keep you feeling great as well... after pct, go right into a triple sarms stack and you will never feel like you ever came off cycle...

pct

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
phytoserms n2bm.com
hcgenerate n2bm.com
aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

OPTIONAL

Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM




USE COUPON CODE DYLAN10 AT NEEDTOBUILDMUSCLE.COM FOR 10% OFF…



sarms triple stack...

1-8 Ostarine 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-8 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-8 GW-510516 10-20 mg day... split doses 12 hours apart
1-8 HcGenerate n2bm.com
1-8 N2guard n2bm.com
3-8 Albuterol 12-18 mg day ag-guys.com
Mini pct 9-12

Hcgenerate ES n2bm.com

Dude, lol, thats great, btw i am serious about the tanning..but ok..

Dude, i dont even know about half of the things you listed, this was my first ever steroid cycle.
You obviously know your stuff, but, im just gonna stick with my PCT regime and keep my fingers crossed.
If it doesnt work, then, i have your post as a reference for my next cycle.
So thanks.

 

[GreedyJane]

Dylan, apparently tanning can help reduce signs of depression by elevating vitamin D levels.
btw nice abs, they look intense as fuck!

 

[dylangemelli]

Dude, lol, thats great, btw i am serious about the tanning..but ok..

Dude, i dont even know about half of the things you listed, this was my first ever steroid cycle.
You obviously know your stuff, but, im just gonna stick with my PCT regime and keep my fingers crossed.
If it doesnt work, then, i have your post as a reference for my next cycle.
So thanks.

your making a mistake bro... you are going to be one that has to learn the hard way... don't come back and say you weren't told... good luck...

 

[GreedyJane]

We'll see..you're probably right.
Byt maybe i'll get lucky..you never know..
Later

 

[GreedyJane]

I'll get some ostarine though....thats all...

 

[stevesmi]

at the very least add phyto-serms to your pct and lower the doses on nolva and clomid http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...new-formula-out-buy-2-get-1-free-1257863.html << read this

 

[dylangemelli]

i just don't understand when you come to a forum, ask a question, your question is answered and will alleviate the problem and worry you have, yet your still going to do the wrong way anyway... why waste our time? your taking away from people that truly need help...

 

[GreedyJane]

Ok sorry.

Wish me luck!

 

[Jbranken]

We'll see..you're probably right.
Byt maybe i'll get lucky..you never know..
Later

Btw bro, the pct that your source "designed for you" is a generic 2 SERM pct that has been used by old school BB'ers for years. It's not something special designed just for you. It's the same pct that everyone that complains about post cycle depression is using. Not every one that uses it will experience depression but the guys who are in the dumps are normally running this protocol.

The odds are not in your favor here, especially with a history of depression. I strongly suggest using the pct Dylan laid out. You'll feel like you never came off cycle.

 

[stevesmi]

its the PCT of choice for those who want to go on HRT at a young age.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I also find a little UV light is good for mood. But that's a separate issue.

Here's the deal. Nolva is shit. It was discovered by a good friend of mine -- Dan Duchaine. He was a genius. But ever HE said is was shit and that there were better options. And this was in 1998! But parroted information dies hard. Once people gain knowledge, even if it's incorrect, they find it hard to dismiss. Meanwhile, Nolva makes recovery WORSE for a lot of people. IT DOES NOT RESTORE HPTA. It is a site specific anti breast tumor drug. THAT is why it was recomended -- to prevent gyno. The whole notion of using it as recovery drug is one of the biggest misconceptions in bodybuilding.

I wrote back in 2001 that clomid is garbage. That piece has been reviewed and reprinted hundreds of times and in several languages. Many are starting to realize that's true. It works on abaout 10% of the people who use it, but guess what? Once you stop using it, you;re back down tpo being suppressed. So why bother?

This is why I developed two products -- UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE --put out by Protein Factory. (Sold at Mr Supps). They aren't just some shit thrown together and making claims. They are the result of years of research and experimentation to restore the HPTA, reduce the symptoms of depression and keep you in an anabolic state while you recover.

Use a little HCG to get you going, then use the UNLEASHED POST CYCLE combo and you will recover better and with no sides. Follow with BRIDGE -- sold at www.needtobuildmuscle.com Ask ANYONE who's done it. It works. Or...you can take a chance on female fertility and cancer drugs. Your choice.

 

[RickRock13]

There are much better options nowadays for PCT than that old school Clomid/Nolva combo. Serms still have their place but don't complete a PCT.

Check out the informational threads about test stack and Phytoserms in my signature for the best stuff to throw into PCT to help recovery.

 

[jigatest]

Dude, i dont even know about half of the things you listed, this was my first ever steroid cycle.
You obviously know your stuff, but, im just gonna stick with my PCT regime and keep my fingers crossed.
If it doesnt work, then, i have your post as a reference for my next cycle.
So thanks.Posted by greedyjane

Why would you come here and ask for advice and disregard anything people took their time to help you and answer your questions. I find it disrespectful, but is your body so go and do you. Just dont come here wasting peoples time.

 

[Jbranken]

Dude, i dont even know about half of the things you listed, this was my first ever steroid cycle.
You obviously know your stuff, but, im just gonna stick with my PCT regime and keep my fingers crossed.
If it doesnt work, then, i have your post as a reference for my next cycle.
So thanks.Posted by greedyjane

Why would you come here and ask for advice and disregard anything people took their time to help you and answer your questions. I find it disrespectful, but is your body so go and do you. Just dont come here wasting peoples time.

Some guys just want some sort of confirmation to put their mind at ease but unfortunately it's not the advice he received. He wanted to hear us say "this pct is great! It works wonders!". He was never going to do anything different.