PCT Help for 14 Week Test E Only Cycle

[ReelBig1981]

Brothers,

I'm in week 13 of my 14 week Pharm Grade Test E Only Cycle. Please find stats below:

Age: 33
Height: 6'4"

Start Weight: 185 pounds
Current Weight: 205 pounds

Week 1-3: 250 mg
Week 4-14: 500 mg

Other Compounds: Propecia to prevent hair loss, Pharm Grade HGH which I just started in week 12. I will continue to run the HGH through PCT.

Side effects: Some acne and possibly some hair loss.

Here's what I'm thinking for PCT 15 days after my last Test E shot:
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20

Questions:
Do I need to run clomid or can I run Nolva alone?
Should I throw in HCG if I can get my hands on some? Luckily, I still have my balls but have been dealing with weak erections.
Do I need Aromasin? I'd prefer not to take this as I ran it mid cycle for a couple of weeks due to sensitive nips and it made me break out badly.

Thanks in advance for your time and thoughts.

 

[AlphaLife]

You need Clomid and Aromasin. If you drop one, I'd drop Nolva. HCG after pin pre pct would help but not necessary.

 

[ReelBig1981]

You need Clomid and Aromasin. If you drop one, I'd drop Nolva. HCG after pin pre pct would help but not necessary.

Thanks Alpha. How does this look:

Week 1 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 2 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 3 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Week 4 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily

Also, do you think the Aromasin was causing the acne or just coincidental timing as I got deeper into my cycle around week 8? If Aromasin, any recommendations on combating acne during PCT? Considering a short course of Accutane but hoping that won't be necessary.

 

[Stackinplates]

Personally I'm not a big fan of Clomid over 50 mg when you start getting into the high doses you have danger of ocular disturbances which is permanent!!!! it happened to me about four years ago and now my vision is permanently messed up!!

It's a very real risk

Read the studies on ocular disturbances and clomid

 

[Stackinplates]

To be safe I would just stick with 50 all the way through it is still effective and less dangerous

 

[ReelBig1981]

To be safe I would just stick with 50 all the way through it is still effective and less dangerous

Thanks Stackinplates. What about just dropping the clomid and running the aromasin and nolva at the outlined levels? Also, should all of this be taken at one time or spaced throughout the day or it doesn't matter?

Much appreciated.

 

[AlphaLife]

To be safe I would just stick with 50 all the way through it is still effective and less dangerous

I agree with this. Less is more in this case. If youre using Nolva, you dont need as much Clomid. Nolva allows Clomid to focus on stimulating FSH and LH rather than get distracted binding to estrogen receptors. I like to run natty/herbal test boosters during and after PCT, too. Tribulus, Fadogia, Fenugreek, Ashwaganda, and ZMA are worth looking into.

 

[Stackinplates]

For the normal person ( im not normal ). Can't take fucking Clomid it all!!!I think Clomid is very important for pct you can always keep it around 25 to 50 mg starting the first two weeks of 50 and dropping down to 25 but just like stated less is more in common is one of the more dangerous ones in my opinion when you get in the high doses

I wouldn't omit it totally

Clomid
50/50/25/25
Nolva
40/40/20/20

 

[ReelBig1981]

For the normal person ( im not normal ). Can't take fucking Clomid it all!!!I think Clomid is very important for pct you can always keep it around 25 to 50 mg starting the first two weeks of 50 and dropping down to 25 but just like stated less is more in common is one of the more dangerous ones in my opinion when you get in the high doses

I wouldn't omit it totally

Clomid
50/50/25/25
Nolva
40/40/20/20

Excellent feedback Alpha and Stack. Thank you. Based on your response, I'll run the following:

Clomid
50/50/25/25
Nolva
40/40/20/20
Aromasin
12.5 (EOD)/12.5 (EOD)/12.5 (EOD)/12.5 (EOD)

1.5 - 2 iu per day pharma HGH

Look good? One final question, I only have access to the 25 mg very small Aromasin tablets making it very difficult to reduce dosage to 6.25. Would it be safe to run 12.5 EOD for 4 weeks?

Thanks again!

 

[Stackinplates]

Looks good !!!
Have to ask alpha on that I only run adex !

 

[ReelBig1981]

Looks good !!!
Have to ask alpha on that I only run adex !

Thanks Stack. Why only adex? Would I be better off only using this? I should be able to source quite easily.

Hairloss and acne remain my primary concerns on and through PCT.

 

[Stackinplates]

Arimidex just always has worked well for me small low dose on pct
.25 e2d seems to work well for me

Just never needed to use anything else
It works perfect for me and always keep my estrogen and check I just use it regularly know my doses and keep everything dialed in and I never have to worry about estrogen!!

 

[Stackinplates]

Arimidex just always has worked well for me small low dose on pct
.25 e2d seems to work well for me

Just never needed to use anything else
It works perfect for me and always keep my estrogen and check I just use it regularly know my doses and keep everything dialed in and I never have to worry about estrogen!!

Acne will get bad on pct if u don't keep things stable

Do u have access to bloods ?

 

[ReelBig1981]

Acne will get bad on pct if u don't keep things stable

Do u have access to bloods ?

Stackin, instead of taking three compounds, wouldn't it be safer for me to simply use Adex or Aromasin?

Blood work I'm assuming? I have access but in Africa not sure what they will be able to test for. Please let me know what I should try to get done as acne is really a concern for me. It's the only reason I haven't cycled previously as I had VERY BAD acne until my late 20s. As mentioned earlier, 2 weeks of Aromasin mid cycle seemingly made me break out badly.

Alpha, your comments here would also be much appreciated.

 

[AlphaLife]

Stackin, instead of taking three compounds, wouldn't it be safer for me to simply use Adex or Aromasin?

Blood work I'm assuming? I have access but in Africa not sure what they will be able to test for. Please let me know what I should try to get done as acne is really a concern for me. It's the only reason I haven't cycled previously as I had VERY BAD acne until my late 20s. As mentioned earlier, 2 weeks of Aromasin mid cycle seemingly made me break out badly.

Alpha, your comments here would also be much appreciated.

Aromasin is better, especially in PCT. I've used both, but Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor so you don't have to worry about Estrogen rebound after you discontinue use. Also, aromasin is easier on your lipid profile and promotes igf1. So its all around better IMO.

In week 3 just switch to 12.5 EOD. It has 24 hour half life so you will have about 6.25 released each day.

 

[Stackinplates]

As far as Adex it has worked for me but alpha has some solid points

I never come off so his advice would be better than mine like I said I don't get estrogen rebound cuz test is always in my protocol

I stay on test yr round

Really for acne the main thing U want to monitor is e levels

As far as acne if u are prone to it Will kinda hard to combat... and bloods will just be something u can use to help keep things level don't want ur estrogen gettin to high or low I have found that from my own experience estro flux causes me to break out

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Excellent feedback Alpha and Stack. Thank you. Based on your response, I'll run the following:

Clomid
50/50/25/25
Nolva
40/40/20/20
Aromasin
12.5 (EOD)/12.5 (EOD)/12.5 (EOD)/12.5 (EOD)

1.5 - 2 iu per day pharma HGH

Look good? One final question, I only have access to the 25 mg very small Aromasin tablets making it very difficult to reduce dosage to 6.25. Would it be safe to run 12.5 EOD for 4 weeks?

Thanks again!

Yes on the 12.5 eod but just so there is no rebound drop to e3d after 2 wks

Brad.

 

[AlphaLife]

As far as Adex it has worked for me but alpha has some solid points

I never come off so his advice would be better than mine like I said I don't get estrogen rebound cuz test is always in my protocol

I stay on test yr round

Really for acne the main thing U want to monitor is e levels

As far as acne if u are prone to it Will kinda hard to combat... and bloods will just be something u can use to help keep things level don't want ur estrogen gettin to high or low I have found that from my own experience estro flux causes me to break out

Adex definitely works. I've used it on a lot of cycles. I PCT with Aromasin even if I Adex on cycle though because of its other beneficial properties.

Hormonal imbalance can cause acne/breakouts. That can happen due to test or estro being too high or low. Some people react badly to Nolva. Others prefer it over Clomid. You'll figure it out with time. Your PCT looks good though.

 

[ReelBig1981]

As far as Adex it has worked for me but alpha has some solid points

I never come off so his advice would be better than mine like I said I don't get estrogen rebound cuz test is always in my protocol

I stay on test yr round

Really for acne the main thing U want to monitor is e levels

As far as acne if u are prone to it Will kinda hard to combat... and bloods will just be something u can use to help keep things level don't want ur estrogen gettin to high or low I have found that from my own experience estro flux causes me to break out

Incredibly helpful Stackin and Alpha. Thank you.

Another thought here, as I started with 250 mg for weeks 1-3 and because of my acne concern, should I consider tapering down to 250 mg on week 13 and 14 to start helping bring my estro into balance? Could this possibly help ease into the PCT and reduce the possibility of acne?

 

[ReelBig1981]

Yes on the 12.5 eod but just so there is no rebound drop to e3d after 2 wks

Brad.

Brad, to confirm: 25 mg EOD for weeks 1 and 2. 25 mg every 3 days for weeks 3-4?

 

[ReelBig1981]

Adex definitely works. I've used it on a lot of cycles. I PCT with Aromasin even if I Adex on cycle though because of its other beneficial properties.

Hormonal imbalance can cause acne/breakouts. That can happen due to test or estro being too high or low. Some people react badly to Nolva. Others prefer it over Clomid. You'll figure it out with time. Your PCT looks good though.

Alpha, I've decided to do a 3 week taper although I appreciate the argument against the need to do this with a longer acting ester. Do you feel I need the same PCT protocol given this decision? Thanks bro!

 

[AlphaLife]

Alpha, I've decided to do a 3 week taper although I appreciate the argument against the need to do this with a longer acting ester. Do you feel I need the same PCT protocol given this decision? Thanks bro!

No PCT change. You'll be completely shut down by week 4 of the cycle.

Since your body tapers down with enanthate naturally due to the ester, I'm assuming you're talking about the first three weeks at 250? You're only introducing 125mg the first 4.5 days of your cycle. I don't understand that plan at all. You'll basically be running slightly elevated normal test levels. Just a waste of 750mg IMO. And you won't feel much until week 5-6 with Enanthate. That's why I front load 1000mg.

W1: 250mg shot; 4.5 days later you've processed 125mg, 125mg left; 4.5 days later you've processed 62.5mg, 62.5mg left, etc.
W2: 250 mg shot; 4.5 days later you've processed 125mg + 31.25 mg left from first shot. These are trt doses, not cycle doses.

Go to Steroidplot.com and check it out bro. You want that graph as flat as possible. Those first 4 weeks you'll be really bouncing all over the place in free test and there's no benefit to that. You're shut down anyway, why waste time and money tapering up. The only way to really taper up would be using ED injections of TNE. Tapering makes no sense with enanthate.

 

[ReelBig1981]

No PCT change. You'll be completely shut down by week 4 of the cycle.

Since your body tapers down with enanthate naturally due to the ester, I'm assuming you're talking about the first three weeks at 250? You're only introducing 125mg the first 4.5 days of your cycle. I don't understand that plan at all. You'll basically be running slightly elevated normal test levels. Just a waste of 750mg IMO. And you won't feel much until week 5-6 with Enanthate. That's why I front load 1000mg.

W1: 250mg shot; 4.5 days later you've processed 125mg, 125mg left; 4.5 days later you've processed 62.5mg, 62.5mg left, etc.
W2: 250 mg shot; 4.5 days later you've processed 125mg + 31.25 mg left from first shot. These are trt doses, not cycle doses.

Go to Steroidplot.com and check it out bro. You want that graph as flat as possible. Those first 4 weeks you'll be really bouncing all over the place in free test and there's no benefit to that. You're shut down anyway, why waste time and money tapering up. The only way to really taper up would be using ED injections of TNE. Tapering makes no sense with enanthate.

Alpha, sorry for any confusion as I was referring to tapering down over the next few weeks. I agree with your post as I made the mistake of tapering up with this cycle as follows and did not really feel the kick until around week 8:

250 mg (week 1-3)
500 mg (week 4-12)

My plan was to do taper down with 250 mg for the next 3 weeks (week 13-15) to help start stabilizing my estrogen levels. I would still use the same PCT regime as outlined 15 days after my last shot at 250 mg.

Thoughts on tapering down given that I tapered up? Could this approach help lessen the possibility of acne?

 

[AlphaLife]

The Enanthate ester tapers off naturally. No need to drop to 250 bro. If you're dead set on that, I suppose you could do it the last week, but it really won't make much difference either way. The 4.5 day half life makes Enth naturally taper off. That's why you have to wait 2 weeks to begin PCT.