PCT and feel like absolute crap

[calveless wonder]

just came off a 16 weeker, trenbolone/testosterone propionate..ran trenbolone and testosterone propionate for hte first 8 weeks. then just testosterone propionate for the last 8.

ED injections, total about 350 mg's of test a week and trenbolone dosage was similar.

put on some really good muscle, leaned out,felt great (haven't cycled in years prior to this), and regained my physique i had when i was juicing regularly. improved all aspects of my life, socially, etc

however i came off a few weeks ago using Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and femara post cycle....still eating and training but losing gains, feel really depressed and tired all the time. i didn't lose that much off the scale, but i feel like im holding more water and less solid muscle. night and day difference
all i do is sleep. I'm bloated like a bitch and look soft as hell.
my balls dropped almost immediately when i started PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - , so i was thinking that was good...but i don't feel better. strength is way down, not to mention the fact i just came off my adderall as well (another crash to my system)

i suspect low natural test, since i had a saliva test done prior on my test and the levels came out low. i was going to get bloodwork prior to the cycle but didn't have insurance at the time to confirm. however i've always had a problem holding onto mass and gaining muscle while off.

not sure what to do bro's, if i had more gear i'd cruise till i got my health insurance straightened out (then come off w/ HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - and do PCT), and get bloodwork done.

i think i'm a TRT candidate..which is a bit scary at my age. not sure, but i don't want to feel like this anymore

 

[jumpmaster82]

dude I ALWAYS feel like shit after a cycle. After you lose that power and edge you Hadith sucks to be natural again. Its just a part of it bro, but it doesnt last long. Good lick bro

 

[DJ_UFO]

Bro a PCT with only Nolvadex is not even a PCT. That's crap. You are losing all your gains because of your low natty test levels and extremely high estrogen and/or prolactin. If you don;t start a proper PCT NOW you'll lose everything. You should start shootin HCG ed at 500iu for 10 days, that's the common agreement, add at the same time dermacrine sustain. If you don't get bad sides from clomid, add clomid after the HCH at 50mg ed for 25 days. You can add also after HCG unleashed and post cycle. It will help a lot.

 

[calveless wonder]

Bro a PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - with only Nolvadex is not even a PCT. That's crap. You are losing all your gains because of your low natty test levels and extremely high estrogen and/or prolactin. If you don;t start a proper PCT NOW you'll lose everything. You should start shootin HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - ed at 500iu for 10 days, that's the common agreement, add at the same time dermacrine sustain. If you don't get bad sides from clomid, add clomid after the HCH at 50mg ed for 25 days. You can add also after HCG unleashed and post cycle. It will help a lot.

i've ran several differnet PCT regiments.

clomid i used on my first cycle, Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and Femera - letrozole - on my 2nd and 3rd. granted, my 2nd and 3rd were much shorter, but i didn't crash anywhere as bad as i did now.

Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate and letro both directly stimulates leutenizing hormone , and it obviously worked if my testes descended more or less on the 2nd day after.

not disputing what you're saying, and i probably will...but i feel this is a constant problem. my system just doesn't produce much test. sucks becasue i can't afford the bloodwork right now and any follow up (my doc would rape me without insurance right now)

 

[centy]

i can't afford the bloodwork right now and any follow up (my doc would rape me without insurance right now)

I thought all healthcare was covered by the gov. down there?

 

[DJ_UFO]

I thought all healthcare was covered by the gov. down there?

LOL.

 

[ryno9000]

I have an additional question to add. I've only done two cycles, one winstol only and one deca and winstrol, and it has been years since that even. I don't know much about PCT drugs and what to use and when (I used clomid only for both of those cycles). I don't understand the measurement (iu) when people are talking about HCG. What is an iu? Is HCG suggested for cycles that include Test (I know someone is going to say "EVERY cycle should include TEST. Instead of saying this, can someone just answer the question...). Thanks guys.

 

[DJ_UFO]

i've ran several differnet PCT - post cycle therapy - regiments.

clomid i used on my first cycle, Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and Femera - letrozole - on my 2nd and 3rd. granted, my 2nd and 3rd were much shorter, but i didn't crash anywhere as bad as i did now.

Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate and Femera - letrozole - both directly stimulates leutenizing hormone , and it obviously worked if my testes descended more or less on the 2nd day after.

not disputing what you're saying, and i probably will...but i feel this is a constant problem. my system just doesn't produce much test. sucks becasue i can't afford the bloodwork right now and any follow up (my doc would rape me without insurance right now)

That's fine bro. But still, if nolva and femara works for you, you should add the HCG anyways, dermacrine sustain, unleashed and post-cycle. What really fix your hormone levels is the medications. The OTC products are a complement to that but the real help from them is the boost of libido, sensation of well being, motivation elevated mood, etc...

 

[makaveli25]

im having similar concerns bro.. if i had a chance to take back taking that first shot i would.. once you go to the dark side your hormones will never be what they use too natural... if i was you id get my hands on some test run it for about 4 weeks and do a proper pct.. or else get some regular derma i swear that shit makes me feel like a im on a lite cycle.. add some mygonex in there and you will be feeling better.. youll be alrite bro dont get down on yourself it has happend to everyone... in a few weeks youll be okay.. take my advise though bro get on that regular derma get a bottle of sustain for after.. squeeze in as many natural supplements as you can.. either that or cruise for awhile witch was suggested above.. gdluck.. pct is a bitch..

 

[needtogetaas]

im having similar concerns bro.. if i had a chance to take back taking that first shot i would.. once you go to the dark side your hormones will never be what they use too natural... if i was you id get my hands on some test run it for about 4 weeks and do a proper PCT - post cycle therapy - .. or else get some regular derma i swear that shit makes me feel like a im on a lite cycle.. add some mygonex in there and you will be feeling better.. youll be alrite bro dont get down on yourself it has happend to everyone... in a few weeks youll be okay.. take my advise though bro get on that regular derma get a bottle of sustain for after.. squeeze in as many natural supplements as you can.. either that or cruise for awhile witch was suggested above.. gdluck.. PCT - post cycle therapy - is a bitch..

good post bro.dermacrin reg dos help a lot when off cycle. For some one that dos not want to go on hrt, cycling on and off dermacrin reg is a great alternative.

 

[makaveli25]

ya it is a good idea.. but hopefully time will heal things... ive been reading more and more in pct fourms and it ends up happening to about half the bros that cycle you end up on hrt.. thats just scary to me right now as i have stated about a thousand times

 

[halfcenturian]

Nors require caber and HCG, also some aromasin or adex. If you are just dying, shoot 150 Test and taper down over a month.

 

[perryscoon]

For one thing, why in the heck did you take Femera - letrozole - for PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - ?? Femera - letrozole - is t
he strongest aromatase inhibitor there is and it will KILL your libido if you're not on test while taking it. There is no need to run that for PCT. Thats problem #1.

Problem #2 is that you didn't run any HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - .

Problem #3 is that you're letting the mental aspects of coming off get the best of you. Since, you hadn't cycled in a while and you enjoyed your cycle so much, you have forgotten that you will never keep 100% of your gains. Instead of getting depressed about it, remind yourself that its completely normal.

I would recommend that you get a bottle of Dermacrin Sustain and run it at 6 pumps a day until its gone. That is some good shit and you will feel better.

 

[calveless wonder]

good call fellas...i may go back on and come off the right way after 6 weeks.
expecting some goodies hopefully

my original plan was to run HGH and igf1 when i came off but money issues of late nixed that.

i hear both are great for coming off but still feeling well and having that edge

either way, i plan on getting bloodwork done to confirm if i have low test

 

[OMEGA]

Clomid 50 mgs a day + AI asap

AI prefer adex or aromasen

both for 4 weeks

 

[Nelson Montana]

Dude, where's the HC G, UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE and Derma? That's the standard that works bro! Ask anyone who's tried it.

Drop the nolva and get on that. You'll feel 1000% better.

 

[centy]

sucks becasue i can't afford the bloodwork right now and any follow up (my doc would rape me without insurance right now)

Have you ever looked into one of the online blood test places? Some of those tests are pretty cheap.

 

[Varga]

Dude I hope you get it right next time with your P C T . It sucks to feel like that....good luck and ask questions none stop till you on the right track and feel better.

 

[Cal_21]

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[Jon79]

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[Cal_21]

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[Jon79]

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[holy ghost]

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