pct after 2 years on steroids

[joe d]

so i have relied on synthetic test for about 2 years now. im looking to drop steroids for good. i am hoping to be able to come off and recover to an acceptable level. since the rat bastards of the i%b# dont want a short guy on the big boy stage there is no need to continue. i am changing my diet and training drastically and am going to persue health and fitness now instead unless i grow another 12" in height over the next month.

needto has been kind enough to offer his pct advice to me, but while im waiting id like to hear what others have to say about pct after 2 years on.

im thinking about a low dose dbol like 5mg ed while i kickstart with a high dose of hcgenerate for a couple weaks then cut the dbol to 2.5mg ed with nolva and clomid then drop them all and continue with otc while im running unleashed from the start.

ps.
when i say 2 years on i mean blast and cruize and trt not a full blown cycle for 2 years

 

[stevesmi]

since the rat bastards of the i%b# dont want a short guy on the big boy stage there is no need to continue.

good luck with this. I am curious to hear what others have to say about this.

just out of curiousity being a shorter guy myself what do you mean by that quote referenced above?

 

[joe d]

good luck with this. I am curious to hear what others have to say about this.

just out of curiousity being a shorter guy myself what do you mean by that quote referenced above?

well its really just my theory. i was given another but... regardless it put a bad taste in my mouth. there is more to it than what is scored on stage. good luck with it if thats what you are after.

 

[dmessina7]

well its really just my theory. i was given another but... regardless it put a bad taste in my mouth. there is more to it than what is scored on stage. good luck with it if thats what you are after.

the sport is very political. its sad. sometimes its not who has the best physique as much as who is the most liked or who has the most to lose. ie dennis wolfe at this years ny pro. there were 2 guys that come to mind that put him to shame and oen of them didnt even make the top 5.... boooo

 

[Nelson Montana]

so i have relied on synthetic test for about 2 years now. im looking to drop steroids for good. i am hoping to be able to come off and recover to an acceptable level. since the rat bastards of the i%b# dont want a short guy on the big boy stage there is no need to continue. i am changing my diet and training drastically and am going to persue health and fitness now instead unless i grow another 12" in height over the next month.

needto has been kind enough to offer his pct advice to me, but while im waiting id like to hear what others have to say about pct after 2 years on.

im thinking about a low dose dbol like 5mg ed while i kickstart with a high dose of hcgenerate for a couple weaks then cut the dbol to 2.5mg ed with nolva and clomid then drop them all and continue with otc while im running unleashed from the start.

ps.
when i say 2 years on i mean blast and cruize and trt not a full blown cycle for 2 years

I know you made some changes a while back -- lowered the dosages and let go of trying to keep pace with the competiton stage (which honestly, is a dead end. You can count the people who make money in the sport on one hand). And yeah, when so many guys are so big, the taller man s going to have an edge over the shorter guy.

Having said that,I don't think your plan is the best. Your natty T is probably so low, nothing -- no supps, no hrt, no anything is going to get it up high enough to sustain your muscle (and health). And adding dbol is just going to make it worse. It WILL NOT kickstart the HCGenerate -- it will work against it.

My advice -- do an PCT to get your natty test up while maintaining a low dose HRT.

Use HMG -- just a few dosages along with HCGenerate (which will help with natty LH) and use 100 mgs of test and 100 mgs of Primo a week.

Use UNLEASHED throughout.

AFterwards, you can cruise with the HRT and add BRIDGE.

Obviously, supps like GEAR, BIG BLAST etc, will help maintain size, but expect to lose some size. Then again, if you're more defined, you can actually look BIGGER and more muscualr. And also, if you're TOO stocky it "shortens" you. Leaner looks longer.

After 6 months of this, you can do another PCT and try lowering the test and primo dosages even lower, at which point get a blood test and see what your levels are.

I think this is the most realistic approach. You can be big, strong and healthy. Fuck trying to please a bunch of judges with their heads up their asses and who don't really care one way or the other and have nothing to offer but a plastic trophy.

Good luck bro.

 

[jrlean]

been doing this for a long time need to knows his stuff
Unleashed, sustain are good products to

I would do what has worked for me in the past I did 2 years of test cyp 400mg and then back down to 200mg for a long long while

My pct: Run HCG protocol I use it during the trt and cruise/blast here and there off and on to keep the balls working

Clomid= 200-300mg for 5 days, drop 50mg and do another 5 days
then for a full 30 days to 40 days run clomid at 50-100mg
along with unleashed, Post cycle, and sustain from PP is up to you. I trust needto so I would try the HCGenerate instead of the sustain. I have never done that but I will this next time.

I felt emotional for a few weeks but if you just control yourself mentally it actually brings the softer side out for a short while. I like to add creatine and Big blast when I come off to. Needto has good protien bars to which along with big blast are a masterfull way to keep size.

I had a good sex drive and everything was ok. I got my levels back up after 6 weeks to over 540 which is good because im sure they would be in the dirt other wise.

This is just my 2 cents and from my life

clomid did bring me a little hazy vision and also a little post cycle light acne on shoulders part of the game

good luck are you ever gonna run some test again? I get great results from test and thats pretty much all I will ever do again.

I really hope long term this test from the doc is good without my levels are 300! I still come off though because part of the time I jump up to 400mg then back to 200mg so i am gonna take time off to I just feel the body needs a break from it sometimes even its trt i know i may be wrong and changing your training up light some and some heavy days and some German volume training (great work outs) and I add some shock muscle work outs to.

Hope some of this helps
Unleashed, big blast,post cycle, clomid, and I know needto has some great products Im about to get to for PCT and his bars give you the extra cal's you will need.

g luck

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Joe, we have been talking about me being in the same situation but on for a year not two. Like i said Its taken about 5 mos. for me to really start to feel normal while being AAS free.
Talk to Big Trav if he's still here (ive been gone a while). He and I had a conversation where he told me if I remember right that he was on high dose cycles pretty much non stop for way longer than two years in a row non stop. Thousands of mg/wk if I remember correctly. I believe I remember him saying it took about 9-10 mos for his test to come back to a semi normal level.
I also remember Radar saying once after a long tren run it took about that long for him to recover.
Its going to either be one way or the other. Either it will come back or it wont. I would be prepared to give it up to a year though before I said you have to do TRT for life.

 

[Varga]

so i have relied on synthetic test for about 2 years now. im looking to drop steroids for good. i am hoping to be able to come off and recover to an acceptable level. since the rat bastards of the i%b# dont want a short guy on the big boy stage there is no need to continue. i am changing my diet and training drastically and am going to persue health and fitness now instead unless i grow another 12" in height over the next month.

needto has been kind enough to offer his pct advice to me, but while im waiting id like to hear what others have to say about pct after 2 years on.

im thinking about a low dose dbol like 5mg ed while i kickstart with a high dose of hcgenerate for a couple weaks then cut the dbol to 2.5mg ed with nolva and clomid then drop them all and continue with otc while im running unleashed from the start.

ps.
when i say 2 years on i mean blast and cruize and trt not a full blown cycle for 2 years

I did come off from a long blast and cruise just so I can go on HRT and that was years ago. My test levels never recovered beyond 250-300 but I only gave it only a few months. Is going to be a rough ride im not going to lie to you and is s good posibility you are going to need HRT. If you going to try to be completely natural you are looking at minimum 6 months if not 1 year to maybe get your pituaitary going again.
Good luck bro

 

[viciousness]

eyy joe i wish i could chime in with advice but i saw the thread and just wanna say best of luck brother! you always have helped me out on here so i had to give ya my juicehead blessings heh

stay swole
vic

 

[joe d]

thanks for the replies so far. the dbol thing. im thinking that an extremely low dose of dbol during the beginning faze would just help keep emotion better and not really hinder the beginning stage. just like we often use a blast of hcg while we are still on to kickstart recovery i would be using the dbol for a short time up to the kick start instead of test and during the kickstart faze instead of test because dbol is less supresive than test and my kickstart faze will most likely be longer.

am i still wrong in the dbol aproach?

 

[Nelson Montana]

thanks for the replies so far. the dbol thing. im thinking that an extremely low dose of dbol during the beginning faze would just help keep emotion better and not really hinder the beginning stage. just like we often use a blast of hcg while we are still on to kickstart recovery i would be using the dbol for a short time up to the kick start instead of test and during the kickstart faze instead of test because dbol is less supresive than test and my kickstart faze will most likely be longer.

am i still wrong in the dbol aproach?

I still maintain it's a bad idea. Dbol will not replace what will be suppressed -- which is testosterone. And it most certainly is just as suppressive.

But we're not talking about suppression at this point. You're most probably completely shut down. At this point, saying a little dbol isn't as bad as test is like saying jumping across a 1 mile chasm isn't as bad as jumping across a 2 mile chasm. You're going to fall either way!

You're going to have a medical need for testosterone. Establish a normal level, then you can try to get off completely, but it'll be tough and you'll lose a lot of muscle. But trying to do it now cold turkey is not wise IMO.

 

[B0ARDIN087]

so i have relied on synthetic test for about 2 years now. im looking to drop steroids for good. i am hoping to be able to come off and recover to an acceptable level. since the rat bastards of the i%b# dont want a short guy on the big boy stage there is no need to continue. i am changing my diet and training drastically and am going to persue health and fitness now instead unless i grow another 12" in height over the next month.

needto has been kind enough to offer his pct advice to me, but while im waiting id like to hear what others have to say about pct after 2 years on.

im thinking about a low dose dbol like 5mg ed while i kickstart with a high dose of hcgenerate for a couple weaks then cut the dbol to 2.5mg ed with nolva and clomid then drop them all and continue with otc while im running unleashed from the start.

ps.
when i say 2 years on i mean blast and cruize and trt not a full blown cycle for 2 years

sorry to hear this man.... but do you have contest pics by any chance?

 

[joe d]

sorry to hear this man.... but do you have contest pics by any chance?

i do have other pics with the same conditioning and a little better that i have posted for a short time then removed. no contest pics though. i dont like putting up the pictures because of tattoos. i have several of them and even covered they could be a give away.

 

[Varga]

I think the most important part of your recovery is going to be the mental state. once you have low testosterone is going to be mentally tough to handle I mean you can keep artificially supply your body with test but in the end you will not really have a chance to recover without going completely off and let you body snap back.
When my test was low I was so moody and shit it wasnt even funny the only thing helping was St John'S Worth. It seems to be a mild picker upper.
Honestly you can use dbol along with HCG but recovery will not fully take place until you completely off everything.
Is there a reason why not just go on HRT directly?

 

[C0LUMB0]

eyy joe i wish i could chime in with advice but i saw the thread and just wanna say best of luck brother! you always have helped me out on here so i had to give ya my juicehead blessings heh

stay swole
vic

+1.....Good Luck with this Joe.

 

[joe d]

thanks.