Partial Birth Abortion Ban Passes

[Delinquent]

DELIQUENT: POST OF THE YEAR!!!

i know were from opposite sides of the fence but wow what a piece of literature that was.

shocking. you are a very talented man.

Hey man I don't know if you were supporting my statement or if it was sarcasm. I appreciate it if you were in support of my statement but WHY CAN'T ANYONE SPELL MY NAME RIGHT. IT'S DELINQUENT!!!

 

[p0ink]

'cmon man, are you kidding me? That woman was what, 34 weeks pregnant? Different story. It is also an undesired termination, a totally different issue, and lastly, who ever said the police were fair and equal in their prosecuting techniques, plus since when do they represent the pro-choice coalition?

You're gonna have to try a bit harder, dude 'cause like I said, you're arguing a totally emotional point from your side and you have not a leg to stand on.

how was i arguing from an emotional standpoint when i pointed out the fact, that the only reason abortion is legal is because of some activist judges who circumvented congress to turn liberal agendas into law?

please tell me when a fetus becomes a 'human being', so i know when to avoid hitting pregnant women with my car, so i can avoid 2 counts of manslaughter, instead of 1.

and you proved my point, it is a life when the woman determines it to be.

who cares if it was an 'undesired termination'? did that make it any less of a life than a 'desired termination'?

 

[thebabydoc]

Of all people who should respect life it would be a baby doctor. What was that oath? The hypocratic? or the hypocritical. Don't lecture to me about intelligence level or the ability to argure a point against something like abortion. I know far more about killing than most on this board and so I am qualified as you put it to talk about abortion (killing of a human)

Yet another twisting of words and fact for effect. your definition of abortion (killing of a human) is completely wrong, biased, and baseless and therefore eliminates any claim you may have to "expertise" (which by your own accord only consists of knowing how to kill) Hey, I know how to drive fast, I even have a fast car, it doesn't make me a race car driver.

Don't kid yourself, from a medicolegal standpoint you have NO qualifications to talk about abortion. You want to talk about how you feel morally, great, don't have an abortion then. Just stop trying to force anyone else to abide by your misguided beliefs. Your rights to express your opinion end at my and anyone else's body.

As for that ridiculousness you posted:
firstly, the hippocratic oath is obsolete in today's society (try reading the whole thing before you even bring it up) and has actually been abandoned at most medical school graduating ceremonies, so stuff that in your pipe and smoke it.
Secondly, (and I already addressed this bogus point) who cares what they prosecute a murderer for, the police do not represent the pro-choice movement. This statement is just slightly to the left of saying a "partial birth" abortion has anything to do with a first-trimester abortion.

 

[p0ink]

my only problem is that if this bill passes, pro-lifers will continue to take steps to keep limiting abortions until none are allowed. i have some issues with abortion, but i do believe it should be a woman's choice, up to a certain point. it never ceases to amaze me how many men are so against abortion, but ask them to stick around and take care of a child, and where the hell are they? its easy to take a stand against something when you will never be in the postion to make the choice.

oh, i see how it is. it is the 'woman's baby' and the 'woman's choice' when it comes to an abortion, but when the bills start coming in, it becomes the man's problem as well.

just ring the bell and take money.

thanks for clearing that up for me.

 

[thebabydoc]

oh, i see how it is. it is the 'woman's baby' and the 'woman's choice' when it comes to an abortion, but when the bills start coming in, it becomes the man's problem as well.

just ring the bell and take money.

thanks for clearing that up for me.

I am torn by this response because I agree with you on this one, but this presents a bizarre connundrum. There is no right answer to this statement except to say you are right, in cases where the father does not want the child yet the mother does I guess you should be able to relinquish parental rights and not be held liable. Just because the man's the sperm donor doesn't make him responsible for the rest of his life.

But why would you be arguing this point? You are against abortion and believe that it's ok to tell someone what they can and can't do with their body. Amazing how pro-life will take whatever side suits them. Sort of like killing or advocating the kiling of abortion providers, hmmmmm taking an established, undeniable human life to save an unconfirmed, debatable life- an interesting concept to say the least. Shows where the true hippocracy lies.

And pOink, no one said it was a human life when the woman chooses to be; it is the ability to eventually become a human life that counts in this argument. Once again, twisting the facts ever so slightly to suit your argument. But it won't work with me.

 

[chesty]

Again, you have no basis talking legality with me. It is the taking of a life that is unwanted. You want to call it a fetus or a non-human life form to appease your conscience and fill your wallet, then by all means.

If a woman was one day pregnant and the scenario I put up occured he would still be tried for murder. You rant and rave about people not having the intellect to talk about abortion I don't think you have half of the intellect that most have on this board.

Death is death, it is living tissue, a living organism a living human being. By twelve weeks the baby is fully formed, functional and just growing stronger everyday.

You on the other hand would have us believe that it is nothing more than a collection of cells that is an inconvenience to some woman or couple.

You know what? An abortionist is nothing more than a nazi. A murdering pig for hire. And no amount of you or anyone else posturing themselves as being the only ones educated to talk about the subject because you are the only ones who know the subject is pathetic.

Your for it great. I am against it. I will always do whatever I can within the law to stop it.

And it is these people that I am ashamed to defend as a Marine, but unlike them I don't run from my responsibilities and duty, I stand up to be counted and accounted for.

 

[Delinquent]

Again, you have no basis talking legality with me. It is the taking of a life that is unwanted. You want to call it a fetus or a non-human life form to appease your conscience and fill your wallet, then by all means.

If a woman was one day pregnant and the scenario I put up occured he would still be tried for murder. You rant and rave about people not having the intellect to talk about abortion I don't think you have half of the intellect that most have on this board.

Death is death, it is living tissue, a living organism a living human being. By twelve weeks the baby is fully formed, functional and just growing stronger everyday.

You on the other hand would have us believe that it is nothing more than a collection of cells that is an inconvenience to some woman or couple.

You know what? An abortionist is nothing more than a nazi. A murdering pig for hire. And no amount of you or anyone else posturing themselves as being the only ones educated to talk about the subject because you are the only ones who know the subject is pathetic.

Your for it great. I am against it. I will always do whatever I can within the law to stop it.

And it is these people that I am ashamed to defend as a Marine, but unlike them I don't run from my responsibilities and duty, I stand up to be counted and accounted for.

Wow they programmed you well didn't they. Stupid robot/sheep/tool/drone/christian

 

[p0ink]

I am torn by this response because I agree with you on this one, but this presents a bizarre connundrum. There is no right answer to this statement except to say you are right, in cases where the father does not want the child yet the mother does I guess you should be able to relinquish parental rights and not be held liable. Just because the man's the sperm donor doesn't make him responsible for the rest of his life.

But why would you be arguing this point? You are against abortion and believe that it's ok to tell someone what they can and can't do with their body. Amazing how pro-life will take whatever side suits them. Sort of like killing or advocating the kiling of abortion providers, hmmmmm taking an established, undeniable human life to save an unconfirmed, debatable life- an interesting concept to say the least. Shows where the true hippocracy lies.

in all reality, im not 'pro-life' or 'pro-choice'. truth be told, i really dont care at all. abortions for everybody, so long as i (the taxpayer) dont get stuck paying for it.

i just enjoy being a thorn in the side of feminists, because i am getting sick and tired of their shit, and the general 'pass' females get in real life. how come they can have an abortion? how come they can get lipo/boob jobs/etc, but if a guy uses hormones to aid him in getting in shape, he can go to jail?

the less legislation, the better; no matter what it may involve.

 

[the nature boy]

GOD DAMN this thread is getting good!!!!!!

 

[thebabydoc]

I said nothing about the intellect for discussing the topic. I said you have no factual basis to rest on. I am perfectly happy to listen to your points of view, disprove them, and show why they have no factual basis and are nothing more than your personal, emotional response. Stop getting so emotional. This is an argument you can't win because the law and the facts are both on my side.

Words like "murder" and "human life" are nice for effect but have little to do with the facts, ma'am.

A twelve week fetus is NOT a human being. It cannot think, nor act independently, and most importantly it CANNOT survive outside the womb. We kill and eat animals, primates, mammals, shit anything we well please as humans, we kill the "enemy" in war. What arrogance is it to say that is ok but the taking of an uncompleted, unformed human life is ultimate evil incarnate? More hippocracy.

A Nazi, huh? Not too much sensationalism here. Please define Nazi, Chesty.

Your for it great. I am against it. I will always do whatever I can within the law to stop it.

which is exactly NOTHING but rant, rave, and spew non-sequitors.