Partial Birth Abortion Ban Passes

[thebabydoc]

i agree with babydoc, those are rarely if ever done.

my only problem is that if this bill passes, pro-lifers will continue to take steps to keep limiting abortions until none are allowed. i have some issues with abortion, but i do believe it should be a woman's choice, up to a certain point. it never ceases to amaze me how many men are so against abortion, but ask them to stick around and take care of a child, and where the hell are they? its easy to take a stand against something when you will never be in the postion to make the choice.

This is my point exactly.

p0ink: "And guess what (ultra right-wing conservatives)? It won't work." refers to those who think they're gonna do an end-around Roe v. Wade with this pile of manure.

Politicians and conservatives and religious zealots need to stop telling citizens what they can't and can do with their bodies and physicians how to practice medicine because, truth is, educationally and intellectually, they're just not in the position to do so.

 

[Sinistar]

texgrl, i think your being a lil bit of a man hater here arent you? 'ask them to stay around and see what they do' . well honey i think that means the guy youve been laying down with is a piece of shit. its not a damnation on the whole sex. im sure it wasnt meant that way, but it sounded like one of those trashy bitches complaining about men cause they cant get laid.

personally, being bred with a sense of responsibilty when it counts at least, i would step up to what i caused. no reason for a kid to die cause i dont have my shit together.

and what about these women? i know of plenty of snakey nasty bitches who loved there kids alot. tried there best to do right by them. these are women i wondered how they even had a BF, there personality was so repugnent. i dont know if i could sleep in the same bed as a woman who hoovered there kids out of them.

i think theres a class aspect to it as well. i am living in a economiclly depressed area, and every girl i know who was actually preggers have had there kids. they are not overburdened with cash. seems like most women who do this are middle to upper class, and think they are a bit more important than they are. they have put there social life above the total life of there potential kid, and chose to kill it. dont look good to me.

as for a womans right to choose, i say it doesnt exist. democrats lay that out cause most women are pavlovian dogs, thinking that supporting abortion is hurting men somehow. i would love to kill everyone who inconvienced me. but in the end i remeber that life is a bit more sacrosanct than wasting someone for looking at you wrong, or terminating a life do to the carriers irresponsibility.

its funny, dems will support a thing that insures a nasty death to a human, but will shit there pants and roll in it over a pistol. a bit fucked up arent they?

 

[thebabydoc]

I just can't believe with a user name like "babydoc" would be for killing babies. Please don't work my kids ok?

I guess that shows your ignorance. If I deliver 300 babies a year and I agree with abortion, is it possible I might be in a better position than you or some politician to comment and judge on its necessity and medical and moral implications?

I'm actually surprised it's not 99.9% of the people who would be against "partial birth" abortions. I for one think it's a horrific joke that only works against those working to maintain a woman's right to choose and is completely unnecessary.

Originally posted by curling Tex girl, I agree with your statement about the man. But the woman should be able to do what she wants I disagree with. If she had consensual sex with someone and didn't make sure she was protected, her right to choose is over then. Because now she has another human being in her. If she didn't want to get pregnant, maybe she should have a thought a little bit before she opened her legs and said "ahhh".

What about rape? Incest? Genetic malformations? Non-viable defects? It's all so black-and-white for those of you who don't deal with this day in and day out. Pure blind ignorance. It's like arguing with SSAlexSS or 2Thick (whose absence of late is a welcome relief to intelligent life everywhere)

"Pro-Life" (e.g. anti-choice, free will, self-determination, etc...) always bases their arguments on INVALID and ERRONEOUS assumptions like "life begins at conception".

Do me a favor. Anyone AND I MEAN ANYONE post up Webster's (or any other LEGITIMATE) definition of "Parasite".

 

[velvett]

Politicians and conservatives and religious zealots need to stop telling citizens what they can't and can do with their bodies and physicians how to practice medicine because, truth is, educationally and intelectually, they're just not in the position to do so.

Amen!

Best Elite Post 2003!


...you don't mind if I quote you do you?

 

[Sinistar]

babydoc

i take it by non viable, you mean that it cant live outside the womb right? ok, thats fine with me, as is a provision for the mothers health. i dont consider it much of an abortion if the kid was say born without a brain.

i dont give a damn how many kids you deliver a year. im sure at one time some of hitlers best guys delivered kids as well. not great guys for anything, as im sure you will agree. my point is, so you dont try to divert this by saying i said you were a nazi, is that no it doesnt really matter.

what are your thoughts on Janet Yates? since the drowning was only 4-6 mins, is that ok? were you one of the ppl who said it was all because of her post pregnancy depression?

call me an ultracon [ultra conservative] far right wing or all those other cute bullshit names you try to label [libel] ppl with. im standing with goodness on this one.

as for calling a baby a parasite, i think its you who is a leech on societies asshole, asshole.

 

[thebabydoc]

babydoc

call me an ultracon [ultra conservative] far right wing or all those other cute bullshit names you try to label [libel] ppl with. im standing with goodness on this one.

as for calling a baby a parasite, i think its you who is a leech on societies asshole, asshole.

Hmmmm... I reread my post at least a dozen times and let me quote it:

Do me a favor. Anyone AND I MEAN ANYONE post up Webster's (or any other LEGITIMATE) definition of "Parasite".

I didn't call a BABY a parasite. Looks like you just did. Is that because deep down that's what you believe to be true?

"no reason for a kid to die cause i dont have my shit together"

before it was a "baby," now it's a "kid." What next, a "Harvard graduate?"

i think theres a class aspect to it as well. i am living in a economiclly depressed area, and every girl i know who was actually preggers have had there kids. they are not overburdened with cash. seems like most women who do this are middle to upper class, and think they are a bit more important than they are. they have put there social life above the total life of there potential kid, and chose to kill it

So this is your opinion on the "middle to upper class" and why they have abortions. Very factually correct from your vast experience with performing abortions and being a part of the middle or upper class.
Now here's where and why my "experience" comes in. I know your assumptions to be absolutely incorrect. Fact is, they scrape up the money they need to have the abortion just like they get the money to buy cigarettes or crack or meth. They do it because it's cheaper than having the child. Do you happen to know that 1 out of every 2 women has had an abortion? So much for your "moral majority" which, of course, is neither.

Your comments and their manner of presentation is typical of all you holier-than-thou-wanna-impose-your-beliefs-on-everyone-else right-to-lifers: "Baby", "goodness", "life", the reference to Janet Yates, (who killed her LIVING CHILDREN)- all INVALID, MANIPULATIVE, and ERRONEOUS terms to try to validate an untenable point.

 

[thebabydoc]

Women need to wake up and take responsibility of their actions. They have the onus placed on them by nature, which one cannot deny. With the access of birth control, there should be very few abortions performed today, but we see a total disregard for personal responsibility and a purely animalistic concept of sexual nature.

Oh my God. You did NOT just say that. You are either blinded by your "emotion" on this issue or just unbelievably ignorant and uneducated.

 

[thebabydoc]

par·a·site ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-st)
n.
Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

 

[KAYNE]

HOLY SHIT, BABYDOC MADE A SPELLING ERROR!!! VELVETT QUOTED IT BEFORE YOU EDITED IT!!! LOL, THAT DONT HAPPEN TOO OFTEN.

ANYWAY, SOME OF YOU MAY NOT LIKE BABYDOC BUT THE BOTTOME LINE IS, HE KNOWS HIS SHIT. TWO PEOPLE YOU DONT ARGUE WITH ON ELITE IS AAP AND BABYDOC. MOST LIKELY, BOTH WILL MAKE YOU LOOK STUPID!!!



KAYNE

 

[big4life]

It was my understanding that most doctors don't even perform thse abortions, and when they are performed it is due to the mother's health, or a serious deformity in the fetus.