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Over training.......is BS

Gritter

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I have seen very few cases of what I would call Over Training. Its usually an excuse of someone who is just a pussy not wanting to go balls out. And yes I have seen it at every level (of powerifting) world class to beginners. The internet has created a whole new class of such lifters and its disgusting. If a lifter would just train as hard as they read they would be a lot stronger. Pick your main exercise of the day and kill it, pick one more to hit your main weakness, add one or two more general movments, abs and go home exhausted. Shit if I heat one more lifter (especially visitors to the club or barn) want to hold back from getting over trained im gona kick em in the balls when they are squating.
( I had a bad group last week)
 
Maybe I am a pussy for saying this, and i am no pro lifter liek many of you folks but i have been reading this bored for almost a year now... I wouldn't call it pussy to not workout excesively. Overtraining, imo is training too much for your body to handle in terms of recovery (food/sleep). As long as you are eating like a horse (with proper recovery supplementation) , and sleep at least 8 hours a night, and give yourself 2 days break a week, and a week after 6-8 weeks of hard training, you would have a hard time over training. When you are in the gym, lift till your testosterone has depleted so much that your balls shrivel up and fall off ("work your balls off").
 
Spaazkaz said:
Maybe I am a pussy for saying this, and i am no pro lifter liek many of you folks but i have been reading this bored for almost a year now... I wouldn't call it pussy to not workout excesively. Overtraining, imo is training too much for your body to handle in terms of recovery (food/sleep). As long as you are eating like a horse (with proper recovery supplementation) , and sleep at least 8 hours a night, and give yourself 2 days break a week, and a week after 6-8 weeks of hard training, you would have a hard time over training. When you are in the gym, lift till your testosterone has depleted so much that your balls shrivel up and fall off ("work your balls off").

See my original post above. Thats the way I see it.
 
HumanTarget said:
powerlifters are fat.


you're just weak and fat.

anyway, I consider it overtraining if you don't give yourself a chance to recover/rest, or do TOO much cardio.

too many young kids start to train and get so into it that they want to be in the gym twice a day and push max all the time... it's not effective.
 
stilleto said:
you're just weak and fat.

anyway, I consider it overtraining if you don't give yourself a chance to recover/rest, or do TOO much cardio.

too many young kids start to train and get so into it that they want to be in the gym twice a day and push max all the time... it's not effective.
leave the rubber band suits at home and see what you can lift, slim...
 
HumanTarget said:
leave the rubber band suits at home and see what you can lift, slim...

a. if you were a competitive powerlifter, and not a hack, you'd know they are called bench shirts and they are legal.

b. i know what I can bench without it. just a little less than your ego.

4. :heart:
 
stilleto said:
a. if you were a competitive powerlifter, and not a hack, you'd know they are called bench shirts and they are legal.

b. i know what I can bench without it. just a little less than your ego.

4. :heart:
it's the same as having your training partner pull on the bar and calling out "all you"....talk about ego..... :heart: :heart:
 
HumanTarget said:
it's the same as having your training partner pull on the bar and calling out "all you"....talk about ego..... :heart: :heart:

no, because then
a. i kills them
b. then it's someone else doing the lifting.

with a shirt, its still all me. you wouldn't play tennis with your hand, would you godzilla?

don't knock the shirt till you try it (and have the bar come crashing down on your larynx).
 
stilleto said:
no, because then
a. i kills them
b. then it's someone else doing the lifting.

with a shirt, its still all me. you wouldn't play tennis with your hand, would you godzilla?

don't knock the shirt till you try it (and have the bar come crashing down on your larynx).
they're miserable to put on. and i lift quite a bit in the BP as it is. and this is what i think of you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WgMk8tixDo&mode=related&search=
 
stilleto said:
try having to put it on in public because your workout partner isn't allowed in the locker room. :(

but yeah, it sucks.

nice hair on that... chick. your gf?
lol! no my gf is blonde, which of course the best flavor...did your bewbs ever make an unexpected appearance during shirt putting onning time?
 
HumanTarget said:
lol! no my gf is blonde, which of course the best flavor...did your bewbs ever make an unexpected appearance during shirt putting onning time?

no.
i'm rather careful about public appearances.
 
dude, how do you come across these fucking video's??? I mean, did you tranny search youtube or something? wtf?? I swear you link some of the most off the wall shit.........hilarious stuff............but fuck out of right field
 
Gritter said:
I have seen very few cases of what I would call Over Training. Its usually an excuse of someone who is just a pussy not wanting to go balls out. And yes I have seen it at every level (of powerifting) world class to beginners. The internet has created a whole new class of such lifters and its disgusting. If a lifter would just train as hard as they read they would be a lot stronger. Pick your main exercise of the day and kill it, pick one more to hit your main weakness, add one or two more general movments, abs and go home exhausted. Shit if I heat one more lifter (especially visitors to the club or barn) want to hold back from getting over trained im gona kick em in the balls when they are squating.
( I had a bad group last week)

i agree with going balls out, but if youre sayin that you should lift for more than an hour and a half youre a fucking idiot. i used to do that shit and got nowhere.
 
by the way, overtraining is not BS. Even if your diet is down pat and you're getting enough sleep..........variables in all of our lives can creep in and affect our recovery. It would be nice to do nothing but eat, sleep, train...........but since this is the real world and 99.9% of us have to work mundane jobs for a living and "NOT" get paid to work out.........overtraining is real. You "have" to adjust your training to your level of recovery. If you go beyond that you're literally breaking down muscle tissue without fully repairing what you broke............sound good to anyone?
 
Numerous signs and symptoms of overtraining have been suggested. It should be noted that not all of these symptoms will be present, and that the presence of some of these symptoms does not automatically mean an individual is overtrained. The ultimate determination of overtraining is whether performance is impaired or plateaued. Listed below are some frequently cited signs of overtraining:

Performance

Decreased performance (strength, power, muscle endurance, cardiovascular endurance)
Decreased training tolerance and increased recovery requirements
Decreased motor coordination
Increased technical faults
Physiology

Altered resting heart rate (HR), blood pressure and respiration patterns
Decreased body fat and post-exercise body weight
Increased VO2, VE , and HR during submaximal work
Decreased lactate response
Increased basal metabolic rate
Chronic fatigue
Sleep and eating disorders
Menstrual disruptions
Headaches, gastrointestinal distress
Muscle soreness and damage
Joint aches and pains
Psychological

Depression and apathy
Decreased self-esteem
Decreased ability to concentrate
Decreased self-efficacy
Sensitive to stress
Immunological

Increased occurrence of illness

Decreased rate of healing
Impaired immune function (neutrophils, lymphocytes, mitogen responses, eosinophils)
Biochemical

Hypothalamic dysfunction

Increased serum cortisol and SHBG
Decreased serum total and free testosterone, testosterone/cortisol ratio
Decreased muscle glycogen
Decreased serum hemoglobin, iron, and ferritin
Negative N2 balance

The majority of these signs and symptoms are derived from endurance exercise overtraining research.

Not all of these signs and symptoms have been linked with resistance exercise overtraining, due partly to a lack of relevant research on the topic, and to the fact that resistance exercise presents different physiological stress compared to endurance exercise.

If overtraining from resistance exercise has occurred, several simple steps can be taken, including:

One or more recovery days should be added to each training week.

Periodized training programs can provide the necessary training variety to avoid overtraining.

Avoid monotonous training.

Check that training volume and training intensity are inversely related.

Avoid too great a relative intensity (percent 1RM) for extended periods.

Avoid too great a training volume (number of sessions, exercises, sets and reps) for extended periods.

Avoid performing every set of every exercise of every session to absolute failure, with no variation.

Avoid incorrect exercise selection (overuse of certain muscles or joints).

Avoid excessive use of eccentric muscle actions.

Take into account the cumulative training stresses from other forms of exercise (i.e., cardiovascular training, sport-specific training, etc.)

Overtraining is of growing concern; more research is necessary for full understanding. It is clear that the exercise prescription is critically important to avoid a problem.
Periodized training allows variation and is important for best results.

Periodization includes phases of high training stress and planned periods for recovery and restoration.

This applies to elite athletes well as to individuals exercising for general health and fitness.


Reprinted with permission of the American College of Sports Medicine, "Overtraining with Resistance Exercise," www.acsm.org.


I have overtrained, really minimised my growth. The cortisol issue is a big one, cause it will actually eat your muscle away and have you put on more fat. MORE is not always better when training

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Overtraining exists, but 95% of us will never get to that point as long as you get plenty of rest and nutrition is on key.

If people were as worried about "undertraining" as much as they were about "overtraining", there would be a lot more bigger and stronger people out there...
 
As you get older it's much easier to overtrain. I'm 50. I find that training effectively is walking the line between overtraining and not. It's very much a balancing thing. And it's not a case of being bigger and stronger. I'm tall but not that big or terribly strong. Everyone has different genetics. You can only get close to your potential, whatever that is, by working to the edge of overtraining.

That said, your 95% number is probably right if you're counting people walk in and out of Walmart but if you count people who are serious about fitness, all will overtrain at some point.
 
Overtraining does not happen in one lifting session....its over a period of time...i have many friends who do the 20 rep squat/puke session. Many would say that they are overtraining by going to failure every workout, but they eat and rest and learn to judge how their bodies are feeling. If they are feeling good...they do another squat session during the week, if not, they rest and get ready for the next workout.
 
You're right but training high volume, full body, compound movements 4 days a week will create overtraining 1 one month for this 50 year old. A 16 year old daughter throwing a fit every day for a couple of weeks will also cause overtraining, especially if it's right before bedtime and I can't sleep at nights.
 
StuWard said:
You're right but training high volume, full body, compound movements 4 days a week will create overtraining 1 one month for this 50 year old. A 16 year old daughter throwing a fit every day for a couple of weeks will also cause overtraining, especially if it's right before bedtime and I can't sleep at nights.

haha i just laughed really hard
 
i agree with going balls out, but if youre sayin that you should lift for more than an hour and a half youre a fucking idiot. i used to do that shit and got nowhere.

I second that. Overtraining exists and it really harms bodybuilders.

Overtraining exists, but 95% of us will never get to that point as long as you get plenty of rest and nutrition is on key.

Most bodybuilders experience overtraining especially at the begining of their training, since they try to grow really fast and think the longer they train the more they grow...

Sorry bro, but if you think overtraining is a myth, you don't know much about bodybuilding.
 
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