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Ordering tommorow, is this a good first cycle?

chordz said:


When you say safe what are you worried about, liver? gyno? acne?..

Well I am more worried about liver and heart and blood pressure than say gyno, I will have Nolvadex and clomid handy at all times.

Why is Deca bad again?
 
people who dont like Deca usually complain of Deca dick....a limp dick. it doesnt happen to everyone, but it happens to most who take high doses without test.

you said you can get anavar. if you can afford an 8 week cycle at around 30 or 40mg ed, i think you will have much better results trying to accomplish your goals (losing the fat).
 
lwgy said:
people who dont like Deca usually complain of Deca dick....a limp dick. it doesnt happen to everyone, but it happens to most who take high doses without test.


So is that pretty much the main side effect?

Couldn't I run:

Test enan 250mg. ew
Deca 250mg. ew

:confused:
 
Screw it Im going with my original 500mg. test enan. ew for 10wks.

I am just going to do this because everyone is different and I'll be taking a chance w/ anything. I minize well do what most tell me I should try, test.
 
BigNutt stop spazzing out man! I gave you a breakdown of the negative sides of Deca on your thread several weeks ago. It was pretty complete. Go back and read it again.

Simply put neither one is safer than the other. It's just that Test's sides are easier to combat than Deca's. Both are androgenic drugs that are going to put mass on you. Neither drug is liver toxic to speak of. Why are you so worried about blood pressure and heart problems? Do you have a history with either?

Your blood pressure is going to go up for several reasons. Mainly, because your body will create and carry extra blood. However, it should not be that big of an issue. My last cycle my BP went from normal to high normal nothing to worry about. I've been off for 10 weeks and my BP is back to normal.

That said, if you have blood pressure problems I would do more research about the drugs available for combating that while on cycle. If you have heart problems DON'T take Clen. and I would seriously reconsider taking AS.
 
you can easily lose the bodyfat without test, or other AS. I would reccomend that you get your diet in order, and when your weight loss starts to slow, then kick in with CKD or even something like clen, winny or anavar. But I dont reccomend that you try to gain muscle now. Get down to a decent bodyfat, about 12 percent before you use roids to try to get bigger. Trying to gian muscle and lose bodyfat is one of the biggest wastes of a cycle. Its very ineficcient.
 
Thanks guys,

I DID have BP proplems two years ago, but it is down alot now like 130/80 and thats good for a 300lbs. person, last time I checked it I was over 300lbs.

The only problem I experience that MAY be heart related is a sharp chest pain I get ever so often maybe 3 times a week and its random too. I am going to the doctor for it next week so I hope everythings ok and I am getting blood work done too.

I will re-read, I am still losing and I may wait awhile longer, but I am still going ahead and ordering everything I need for the cycle. I may wait till Jan.

I know I kinda spazz out over this stuff its just I don't want any problems and my "ADD" kicks in and I forget what all I've already been told.

Thanks again.
 
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