Oral only cutting cycle

[SwollenMember_18]

Cut natty, get to your goal bodyfat percent.

Start your first cycle lean, and use it for a "bulk" cycle... You will be unhappy using a first cycle as a cutter. You want to make use of being extremely anabolic and grow as much as you can for your first blast. You will be very grateful you went abut it this way in the future.

I would suggest you hop on ECA stack, or Clen if you realllllly want to. Get lean. Then start a test enanthate or cyp cycle at 500mg/week for 12-14 weeks eating like a horse

 

[sokymike]

What are the sides of clen ? I've been cutting for a year and a half. I was 411 lbs at 85% bf when I started this journey. I'm now 255 and high 20s in my bf. I've been working hard and eating a clean 500 calories deficit. I do an hour of cardio every morning and lift every evening. I was dropping like 5 to 10 lbs a week now I'm struggling to get 2 or 3 off.ive busted my ass trying to accomplish this, I'm just looking for some help over the top. How do it dose clen ? Could I stack the eca with it ? What's your opinion on stacking sarms with it ?

 

[SwollenMember_18]

Sarms would be another good route to go if you really think you need an extra kick, although I have not run them myself and have heard conflicting opinions, lots of people do swear by them

If you were to run Clen it would be by itself not stacked with ECA, it sounds like you've made some amazing progress on your own and I can understand the need to want the results faster. But this is the game we play my friend! I would not start injectable or oral AAS over 15% bodyfat.

The Clen sides are mostly shakes, elevated heart rate, BP increase, and muscle cramping. If you start very low around 20-40 mcg a day and work your way up from there depending on your tolerance it is fairly safe to run for short time periods. Sounds like your still on the right track though my
Man! I would just get on ECA and keep pushin hard!! The work will pay off, and once you have achieved that, you could look into enhancement as to improve upon what you have already built.

Very impressive what you have achieved this far though man, and although I can't condone use of AAS for you yet, keep working hard, and come back here when you have a bit more experience, knowledge, and a better base to work from and start fresh!

Good luck with your journey! Keep grinding!!!

 

[RADAR]

What are the sides of clen ? I've been cutting for a year and a half. I was 411 lbs at 85% bf when I started this journey. I'm now 255 and high 20s in my bf. I've been working hard and eating a clean 500 calories deficit. I do an hour of cardio every morning and lift every evening. I was dropping like 5 to 10 lbs a week now I'm struggling to get 2 or 3 off.ive busted my ass trying to accomplish this, I'm just looking for some help over the top. How do it dose clen ? Could I stack the eca with it ? What's your opinion on stacking sarms with it ?

Congrats on the weight loss, i submitted a link to what you need to know about clen.


Clenbuterol Cycle for Cutting: Schedule, Dosages, and Results

 

[polarbear1134]

What are the sides of clen ? I've been cutting for a year and a half. I was 411 lbs at 85% bf when I started this journey. I'm now 255 and high 20s in my bf. I've been working hard and eating a clean 500 calories deficit. I do an hour of cardio every morning and lift every evening. I was dropping like 5 to 10 lbs a week now I'm struggling to get 2 or 3 off.ive busted my ass trying to accomplish this, I'm just looking for some help over the top. How do it dose clen ? Could I stack the eca with it ? What's your opinion on stacking sarms with it ?

85% at 411 would be 349 lbs of fat in your body.
28% at 255 would be 71.4 lbs of fat in your body.
How did you lose 277.6 lbs of body fat on a 500 calorie diet while only losing 156 total pounds? That would be you somehow gained 121.6 lbs of muscle while on a natty 500 cal starvation diet.

I suspect the answer is you are about 255 and 45% body fat currently

 

[SwollenMember_18]

85% at 411 would be 349 lbs of fat in your body.
28% at 255 would be 71.4 lbs of fat in your body.
How did you lose 277.6 lbs of body fat on a 500 calorie diet while only losing 156 total pounds? That would be you somehow gained 121.6 lbs of muscle while on a natty 500 cal starvation diet.

I suspect the answer is you are about 255 and 45% body fat currently

I suspect he was not 85% bodyfat to begin with. That is almost physiologically impossible with bone and muscle mass equated in as well.....

Either way I won't be judging!!! The dedication and work ethic it takes to loose that much weight in itself is a MAJOR feat!!! Fucking awesome progress no matter what the bf% is

 

[sokymike]

The way I'm gauging my bf% is through an electronic guage that you grip im not really sure how it works nor how accurate it is. I'm basing those number off that devise I bought on amazon hoping to help track my progress. I had congestive heart failure October 23 2013. That's what brought on my lifestyle change. At 22 years old with 2 kids I had to change what I was doing. My starting bench max was no joke 50 lbs in a 10 rep set. I look at guys in great shape and see the life style they live, I want that for myself, I will do whatever it takes to get there. I really can't express enough how much I appreciate the input and advise. It because of people like you that I've been able to make it as far as I have. I've got a stellar trainer and a nutritionist that have helped me lay out my workouts and diet. My cardiologist has cleared me with a clean bill on my heart and my blood panels look better than ever . I don't use insulin anymore and I've been able to come off all my meds. Achieving a body I can be proud of means more to me than I can express because I never thought it would be possible. If clen is the most extreme route that's the one I'll take. There's a guy on here I've spoken with before who swears by sarms. I think I'm going to consult with him and see what he recommends stacking with it in that department. I don't wanna step on any toes but if anyone would pm me with a safe gear shop I'd also appreciate that as well.

 

[polarbear1134]

The way I'm gauging my bf% is through an electronic guage that you grip im not really sure how it works nor how accurate it is. I'm basing those number off that devise I bought on amazon hoping to help track my progress. I had congestive heart failure October 23 2013. That's what brought on my lifestyle change. At 22 years old with 2 kids I had to change what I was doing. My starting bench max was no joke 50 lbs in a 10 rep set. I look at guys in great shape and see the life style they live, I want that for myself, I will do whatever it takes to get there. I really can't express enough how much I appreciate the input and advise. It because of people like you that I've been able to make it as far as I have. I've got a stellar trainer and a nutritionist that have helped me lay out my workouts and diet. My cardiologist has cleared me with a clean bill on my heart and my blood panels look better than ever . I don't use insulin anymore and I've been able to come off all my meds. Achieving a body I can be proud of means more to me than I can express because I never thought it would be possible. If clen is the most extreme route that's the one I'll take. There's a guy on here I've spoken with before who swears by sarms. I think I'm going to consult with him and see what he recommends stacking with it in that department. I don't wanna step on any toes but if anyone would pm me with a safe gear shop I'd also appreciate that as well.

The reason I brought up #s is clen is some dangerous crap if you are heavy, have high bp or a weak heart. Especially if you are still near the 30% spot. Also if you are are at 30% you can get something 100 times better... a real actual prescription for phentermine with a DR checking up on you each month. Albuterol works the same way as clen but with a short half life...meaning if you react bad less time before its out of your system....Think of it this way if clen sent your BP to 200 for 12 hrs straight can your current body handle that? Albuterol would likely only effect you for 3-4 hrs. While that could still be really bad...I would take 3-4 hrs of it over 12 hrs any day. So if you insist on going down this route use the shorter half life version albuterol. Also consider albuterol is an actual people med while clen is approved for nothing except live stock.

 

[SwollenMember_18]

The reason I brought up #s is clen is some dangerous crap if you are heavy, have high bp or a weak heart. Especially if you are still near the 30% spot. Also if you are are at 30% you can get something 100 times better... a real actual prescription for phentermine with a DR checking up on you each month. Albuterol works the same way as clen but with a short half life...meaning if you react bad less time before its out of your system....Think of it this way if clen sent your BP to 200 for 12 hrs straight can your current body handle that? Albuterol would likely only effect you for 3-4 hrs. While that could still be really bad...I would take 3-4 hrs of it over 12 hrs any day. So if you insist on going down this route use the shorter half life version albuterol. Also consider albuterol is an actual people med while clen is approved for nothing except live stock.

This is definately a solid point, the higher the BF the more dangerous ALL compounds and fat loss drugs are

There is also meridia, it's a discontinued diet pill, won't burn fat directly but lemme tell ya it's tough to even finish a chicken breast when you be poppin those baby's back

 

[sokymike]

Thank you for explaining. I wasn't aware that being at a higher bf would cause the compounds to react adversely. According to the cardiologist my heart is normal at this point. ( no longer weak and no long term damage) I've spoken with my general care doctor about prescription wieght loss drugs and while he's a great doctor his exact words were " I do not condone the use of medication for wieght loss. Eat right, exercise and let your body adapt naturally." So that's what I've done. Perks of living in a really small town in guess.

Would the same be true for sarms ? I ordered an eca called black widow this evening so we will see how it works for me. As far as Albuterol isn't that what they put in inhalers? How difficult is it to find Meridia? If I go further into deficit in my calories will it not cause me to start dropping muscle mass as well ? How do I prevent that ?