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I'm coming off of about 80-100 mg oxycontin per day cold turkey right now and I'm feeling withdrawl coming on and I could use some advice of those who have been through this before.

I know this is not the perfect forum for this but I also know that a lot of these types of questions get by on this forum and there are a lot of members here who have experience with opiates and I need some advice pronto.

Please let me know any tips or tricks you have experience with. Right now it feel like my skin is crawling and there's this bizarre feeling in my head as if my personality is being subtly replaced. Hard to put into words but I'm assuming anyone who's been there knows.
 
why???? were you on so much??? try and get a xanax or something. something to mellow you. detoxing is stressful as fuck. yeah, man, you are fucking hitting the wall. your body is basically searching itself for dope. it's a matter of time, is all. might take several days. but hang in there. drink a lot of water. try and eat.
 
athlete.03 said:
I'm coming off of about 80-100 mg oxycontin per day cold turkey right now and I'm feeling withdrawl coming on and I could use some advice of those who have been through this before.

I know this is not the perfect forum for this but I also know that a lot of these types of questions get by on this forum and there are a lot of members here who have experience with opiates and I need some advice pronto.

Please let me know any tips or tricks you have experience with. Right now it feel like my skin is crawling and there's this bizarre feeling in my head as if my personality is being subtly replaced. Hard to put into words but I'm assuming anyone who's been there knows.

Hang in there dude, the pain is well worth the reward. A buddy plan might not be such a bad idea. Someone who can come over and help you try to keep your mind off of it.
 
HumanTarget said:
why???? were you on so much??? try and get a xanax or something. something to mellow you. detoxing is stressful as fuck. yeah, man, you are fucking hitting the wall. your body is basically searching itself for dope. it's a matter of time, is all. might take several days. but hang in there. drink a lot of water. try and eat.

I was on so much because I went through a serious illness a while ago that left some marks. It's been prescribed and monitored by my doc but I've made the executive decision to get off. I've been on for over a year.

Thanks for your advice but right now I think eating might induce vomiting.
 
dude, if you listen to howard stern, artie lange was talking about some sublingual drug that makes detox easier. buprenorphine (also sold by the names Temgesic, Buprenex, Transtec, Suboxone, and the name that Lange calls it, Subutex. Get better bro
 
athlete.03 said:
I was on so much because I went through a serious illness a while ago that left some marks. It's been prescribed and monitored by my doc but I've made the executive decision to get off. I've been on for over a year.

Thanks for your advice but right now I think eating might induce vomiting.
man, that shit is for cancer patients. i hope that's not what you had. but i wish docs didn't give that shit up so easily.
 
Thanks for all the advice, bros.

I actually do have my girl here for support and she's going to help me through this.

I'm just at the point where I'm looking over the precipice into the abyss and saying, fuck -- this looks tough.

Anyone know any folk remedies for opiate withdrawl? I remember in the film Trainspotting the protagonist said something about cold cream of mushroom soup (I think)... Probably BS but I'm trying to stimulate some memories.
 
I have a very good friend who is going through this right now with heroin. The advice from twoguns is solid - that will really help to combat the withdrawl symptoms. HumanTarget is also right on - you will need something to help with the anxiety. I would go see your doctor. They can really help you with this. Keep your head up bro - you can beat this!
 
My doc who presecribes my pain meds, perscribes Suboxone for people suffering from withdraw from opiates!!! You doc should prescribe you those, but ask about side effects!
 
I read a report where one Doctor did the following: Xanax for the anxiety you are going through, Imodium AD for your sick stomach and it also helps ease the withdrawal for some reason, Tylenol Flu or any cough syrup that has Dextromethorphan in it to help with the major aches you are having. Best of luck bro. Be strong.
 
You’re in purgatory and the devils got your ass in a sling of fire,


The pain only get worst, endure the pain,

when your soul dies and you lose count

of the days, weeks and months,


you will receive redemption and begin to heal
 
solidspine said:
You’re in purgatory and the devils got your ass in a sling of fire,


The pain only get worst, endure the pain,

when your soul dies and you lose count

of the days, weeks and months,


you will receive redemption and begin to heal

shit this is a weary post!
 
solidspine said:
You’re in purgatory and the devils got your ass in a sling of fire,


The pain only get worst, endure the pain,

when your soul dies and you lose count

of the days, weeks and months,


you will receive redemption and begin to heal

Whats that from?
 
boz44 said:
I read a report where one Doctor did the following: Xanax for the anxiety you are going through, Imodium AD for your sick stomach and it also helps ease the withdrawal for some reason, Tylenol Flu or any cough syrup that has Dextromethorphan in it to help with the major aches you are having. Best of luck bro. Be strong.


This is very true bro. First off, if you are trying to withdrawl from oxycontin, and you are legally, legitimately presribed the medication, you show continue with your dosing and seek your doctor's advice. When you are on opiates for a long time, your body becomes used and dependent on the opiate and you need to withdrawl by tapering slowly or switching to subutane or another opiate based meds. The advice given above will help with the pains, but being on something as strong as what you are currently on, you need to w/d the right way. I understand your anxiety to get off asap, but by doing so, you will put yourself through unneccessary pain and turmoil and also risk giving yourself some serious complications from high blood pressure. If you are out of oxys and can't get more, you can always head into the er or urgent care and seek medical attention. They will help you - but by no means should you be doing this by yourself. The best way, given that you have oxies, is to slowly taper, so if your taking 4 a day, take the 1st dose after you wake up, 2nd dose at the recommended time or when w/ds start, take the 3rd again when w/ds start and then take a 1/2 but no later than 8pm. Go to bed and repeat the same steps again. you might be on 3 1/2 for about 3 days before you can slowly reduce to 3. sometimes, by only taking a half of a dose when you are supposed to take a full will help get you through. eventually, get yourself down to 1/2 or 1 a day then quit using the quoted advice above. good luck. also, you can take "kratom" to help with the w/ds. google it.
 
Hey bro I am pretty much an expert on this shit!! really not goo to go cold turkey! very bad 4 u!! Go to your doctor tell him the situation and tell him you want to be put on syboxin!! it is opiad withdrwal pill that is non addictive! it blocks your opiad receptors so you nwont go through withdrawal other wise you will pretty much get some serious sweats and also the runs biggtime!! not good if you are trying to maintain weight. Trust me I am prescribed 6 30mg roxicodones everyday. I try to only take between 1-3 but i have 3 heirniated discs so not much i can do!! props to you for getting off of them smartest thing you could ever do!!!
 
When I was 19-20 years old I did oxy's ed...around 80-160mg ed! Honest to god. Sometimes I mixed other drugs in there too. It was the hardest thing I've ever had to do but you can do it. I did it cold turkey and went through bad withdrawals...I'm talking freezing cold, throwing up, body just felt like I got hit by a truck all day. Like I said before though, you can do it. I've been clean for a while now and thats become my new obsession.
 
my doc is weening me off of hydromorphine contin and it has been hell, coming off slowly by decreasing strength of dose week by week, he has also prescribed lorazapam to help ease the withdrawl symptoms. Starting to feel human again, hang in there, it does get better
 
athlete.03 said:
I'm coming off of about 80-100 mg oxycontin per day cold turkey right now and I'm feeling withdrawl coming on and I could use some advice of those who have been through this before.

I know this is not the perfect forum for this but I also know that a lot of these types of questions get by on this forum and there are a lot of members here who have experience with opiates and I need some advice pronto.

Please let me know any tips or tricks you have experience with. Right now it feel like my skin is crawling and there's this bizarre feeling in my head as if my personality is being subtly replaced. Hard to put into words but I'm assuming anyone who's been there knows.

The worse is yet to come but just keep telling yourself it will get better it is just a matter of time. For me it took a few days for the worse of the withdrawals to go away and after that maybe two to three weeks to be feeling good again. Withdrawals I had from pain killers were sore muscles everywhere. Restless leg syndrome. Difficulty sleeping, sweating, It will go away. I did it cold turkey too but oxyc's are even stronger than what I was hooked on. This is one thing that it is actually recomended that you taper off on because the withdrawals themselves can be dangerous. You should look up some sites and research this there are sites out there for support as well filled with people going through the same thing you will be. Oh also sever depression hit me for a few das if that happens to you dont do anything stupid just know it is a symptom and it will go away soon. Good luck dont ever give up and keep your head looking up!
 
20ss02 said:
NO, NO, NO

Opiate withdrawl is not dangerous or life threatening. It's uncomfortable, but he will get through it. The only way to succeed is to quit.


Yes Yes Yes it is!
 
solidspine said:
You’re in purgatory and the devils got your ass in a sling of fire,


The pain only get worst, endure the pain,

when your soul dies and you lose count

of the days, weeks and months,


you will receive redemption and begin to heal

wtf? It will not take months dont listen to the months thing here it will only make it harder thinking you would have to endure that for months it only took about 2-3 days for the worse part of it to go away for me then two week maybe three I was good to go. The xanax is not a bad idea at all though I would ask your doc about that. You should inform him of what you are doing he/she can help
 
At one point i was addicted to 15 80's a day. Did the methadone clnic thing ( bad idea) and suboxone as well. Clonidine will help with the skin crawling and sweats. Really youll be in the clear after 5 to 7 days hang in there bud. IUt has been done by many before.
 
CO B-man said:
Yes Yes Yes it is!

I suggest some additional research. Although you feel like you're going to die, opiate withdrawl is not life threatening. I have been through detox with friends who have been speed balling with more than 1 gram of heroin and 1 gram of coke several times per day. Each has been supervised and advised by doctors who have confirmed what I'm saying.
 
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i dont want to give you bad news but my ex went to rehab 2 times in a 3 yr span and she always go back to her pain meds. Honestly i am in a bit of a pickle now myself. This drug is the only one that i will admit its got me by the balls, good luck :verygood:
 
kbrkbr said:
Gotta' start attending meetings right away. Don't even think you can do this by yourself.

This is a myth. Do you know what the success rate is for addicts that go through a program like AA or NA??? It's about 5%. The success rate for addicts that quit on their own? It's 5% as well. Although I do think having someone to confide in and help you through WD's would be beneficial.

I actually joined EF as a part of conquering my 5yr daily nubain habit(mainline painkiller similar to morphine). I didn't quit by choice. My dealer just encountered some problems right before I was supposed to score so I was forced to quit cold turkey. How did I deal with it? The 1st 24 hrs clean wasn't so bad-butat the 24 hr mark I was tired, constipated, nauseous, and seriously considering a road trip to mexico to score on my own. Thank God I felt too shitty to make the 5 hr drive. I felt like clenching my fists and flexing all of my muscles I was in so much pain. I also couldn't sleep no matter how tired that I was. I smoked a lot of weed for the anxiety-it seemed to help, but not much. After about 3 days of absolute hell, I started feeling a little better. I made myself go to the gym. My workouts were shit-but I felt slightly better afterwards which made it worth the trip. I still couldn't sleep more than an hour or so a night. I would take 2-3 showers throughout the night to try to relax myself, but it only helped a little. After about 3 weeks of this I started sleeping a few hrs at a time and feeling much better overall. I still had to keep myself busy posting on EF, going fishing, and riding my motorcycle to keep from thinking about how bad I was jonesin'. After another week I seemed to feel normal-but the thought of shooting up still entered my mind 5-6 times a day. After about 3 months clean I still thought of shooting up-but only once a day or so. After about a yr I started realizing just how fucked up I was-I hear it takes that long for your brain chemistry to return to normal. Anyway, it's been almost a yr and a half
I've been of nubain now. I've been offered it a few times but I couldn't do it. The 3 days of withdrawals was incentive enough to say no-but the month of sleepless nights that followed is really what scared me into never wanting to use it again.

Good luck bro-you're about to test your manhood. Smoke weed, stay busy, and stay away from other users that don't have what it takes to kick.
 
BigCracker said:
This is a myth. Do you know what the success rate is for addicts that go through a program like AA or NA??? It's about 5%. The success rate for addicts that quit on their own? It's 5% as well. Although I do think having someone to confide in and help you through WD's would be beneficial.

I actually joined EF as a part of conquering my 5yr daily nubain habit(mainline painkiller similar to morphine). I didn't quit by choice. My dealer just encountered some problems right before I was supposed to score so I was forced to quit cold turkey. How did I deal with it? The 1st 24 hrs clean wasn't so bad-butat the 24 hr mark I was tired, constipated, nauseous, and seriously considering a road trip to mexico to score on my own. Thank God I felt too shitty to make the 5 hr drive. I felt like clenching my fists and flexing all of my muscles I was in so much pain. I also couldn't sleep no matter how tired that I was. I smoked a lot of weed for the anxiety-it seemed to help, but not much. After about 3 days of absolute hell, I started feeling a little better. I made myself go to the gym. My workouts were shit-but I felt slightly better afterwards which made it worth the trip. I still couldn't sleep more than an hour or so a night. I would take 2-3 showers throughout the night to try to relax myself, but it only helped a little. After about 3 weeks of this I started sleeping a few hrs at a time and feeling much better overall. I still had to keep myself busy posting on EF, going fishing, and riding my motorcycle to keep from thinking about how bad I was jonesin'. After another week I seemed to feel normal-but the thought of shooting up still entered my mind 5-6 times a day. After about 3 months clean I still thought of shooting up-but only once a day or so. After about a yr I started realizing just how fucked up I was-I hear it takes that long for your brain chemistry to return to normal. Anyway, it's been almost a yr and a half
I've been of nubain now. I've been offered it a few times but I couldn't do it. The 3 days of withdrawals was incentive enough to say no-but the month of sleepless nights that followed is really what scared me into never wanting to use it again.

Good luck bro-you're about to test your manhood. Smoke weed, stay busy, and stay away from other users that don't have what it takes to kick.


This about sums it up here!
 
BigCracker said:
This is a myth. Do you know what the success rate is for addicts that go through a program like AA or NA??? It's about 5%. The success rate for addicts that quit on their own? It's 5% as well. Although I do think having someone to confide in and help you through WD's would be beneficial.

I actually joined EF as a part of conquering my 5yr daily nubain habit(mainline painkiller similar to morphine). I didn't quit by choice. My dealer just encountered some problems right before I was supposed to score so I was forced to quit cold turkey. How did I deal with it? The 1st 24 hrs clean wasn't so bad-butat the 24 hr mark I was tired, constipated, nauseous, and seriously considering a road trip to mexico to score on my own. Thank God I felt too shitty to make the 5 hr drive. I felt like clenching my fists and flexing all of my muscles I was in so much pain. I also couldn't sleep no matter how tired that I was. I smoked a lot of weed for the anxiety-it seemed to help, but not much. After about 3 days of absolute hell, I started feeling a little better. I made myself go to the gym. My workouts were shit-but I felt slightly better afterwards which made it worth the trip. I still couldn't sleep more than an hour or so a night. I would take 2-3 showers throughout the night to try to relax myself, but it only helped a little. After about 3 weeks of this I started sleeping a few hrs at a time and feeling much better overall. I still had to keep myself busy posting on EF, going fishing, and riding my motorcycle to keep from thinking about how bad I was jonesin'. After another week I seemed to feel normal-but the thought of shooting up still entered my mind 5-6 times a day. After about 3 months clean I still thought of shooting up-but only once a day or so. After about a yr I started realizing just how fucked up I was-I hear it takes that long for your brain chemistry to return to normal. Anyway, it's been almost a yr and a half
I've been of nubain now. I've been offered it a few times but I couldn't do it. The 3 days of withdrawals was incentive enough to say no-but the month of sleepless nights that followed is really what scared me into never wanting to use it again.

Good luck bro-you're about to test your manhood. Smoke weed, stay busy, and stay away from other users that don't have what it takes to kick.

Great advice - and nice work with your recovery bro..............
 
what really suprised me is how many ef regulars have battled addiction. well I guess what really suprises me is that I didn't expect it.

seems like many people have replaced their drug of choice with lifting/juice. perhaps the addictive personalities are now addicted to something else? good thing lifting and proper use of juice is healthy!
 
jumpshot said:
what really suprised me is how many ef regulars have battled addiction. well I guess what really suprises me is that I didn't expect it.

seems like many people have replaced their drug of choice with lifting/juice. perhaps the addictive personalities are now addicted to something else? good thing lifting and proper use of juice is healthy!
Let me put it simply for you. You probably have not been a person addicted to anything. It always starts out fun and quittable and then the next thing you know you are controlled by a substance and will do things you later regret. But many addicts of one substance or another have many similarities. 1.) They have past issues and never really learned how to cope, accept and move on from them without a substance. 2.) THey have felt after they quit and realize they can quit that they have poisoned there body too much, too hard and for too long of a time and the next step from there is getting healthy again. hence here they are. It feels good to feel good and we want to feel even better (personality). To be sick for so long eventually you get sick and tired of being sick and tired. I suspect I am not the only one here on the healthy kick after the poisoning phase of myself. It just helps you to feel better about yourself again and it helps to hear that you are not alone in your struggles others have been there and others are there with you. Hard to explain if you have never been there but hopes that helps the understanding but what to expect and what helped people get through is support that helps!!
 
What's up. I was a heroin addict for 5 years, been clean for six. I used to go through withdrawals all the time not being able score. Anyway, Oxycontin is a short half life opiate like heroin, so even though the withdrawal is intense, you will feel better in 4 days, like a new man after 15, back to normal at 30. Believe me, I've done this too many times to count. Tough it out. The mental part is always the toughest to keep a positve mindset. For the physical part, doing some light exercises to get your blood flowing does wonders. It seems like the last thing you would want to do withdrawing, but it really helps. Also, take lots of showers, hot showers, sit in the shower for an hour. Eat lots of candy and junk food, really helps you mentally. If you need any other help you can email me at [email protected]. Also, if you can get some valium or xanax or any tranquilizer that will help without prolonging the withdrawal. If you take an opiate to feel better, you are just delaying process. GOod luck,.I 'm rooting for you.
 
athlete.03 said:
I'm coming off of about 80-100 mg oxycontin per day cold turkey right now and I'm feeling withdrawl coming on and I could use some advice of those who have been through this before.

I know this is not the perfect forum for this but I also know that a lot of these types of questions get by on this forum and there are a lot of members here who have experience with opiates and I need some advice pronto.

Please let me know any tips or tricks you have experience with. Right now it feel like my skin is crawling and there's this bizarre feeling in my head as if my personality is being subtly replaced. Hard to put into words but I'm assuming anyone who's been there knows.


I wanted to tell you I feel for you. I have been on morphine for three years. I hate it. I tried to stop cold turkey and couldn't do it. I tried cutting the dosage in half then half again and couldn't do it. I still have neurapothy that I need the morphine for. I am still in pain when I don't take it. You didn't say if you were still having pain or not but if you are maybe stopping isn't worth it. That's the conclusion that I came to. I hate being an addict. My wife brought out some photos that showed where I was three years ago and how much I have changed over time. She told me that I should give it another year of healing and then see if I can stop the morphine but for me I had to come to the conclusion that for now I still need it. So be honest with yourself if you need it or not. If you do then set a time in the furure to see if you still need it then. But don't suffer if you don't have to. It wears you down and slows the healing process. Good luck I wish you all the best.
 
Maybe it is a good sign that we haven't heard from him today? Maybe not? I hope he comes back and updates us.
 
This stuff was way over prescribed. This has created an OXY crisis in many areas of world.
 
dont sniff it,

that will make things much harder once u try to get off it
 
ALIN said:
This stuff was way over prescribed. This has created an OXY crisis in many areas of world.


I recently heard a Dr on the news say that in 5-10 yrs we'll rarely hear of people being addicted to illegal drugs because the abuse of legal drugs is growing so rapidly. The baby boomers are hooked on pain pills and their high school kids get used to Bogarting them regularly resulting in them becoming addicts themselves.

I swear, it blows my mind how younger guys discuss their Prozac Dosages as if were a rite of passage into adulthood. I remember a time when being depressed was a sign of weakness or a sickness nobody wanted to talk about. Now it's a socially acceptable state of mind. To be dependent on these drugs at such a young age is pretty scary. If you can't handle the stress of college and relationships in your early 20's, I can't imagine how you'd be able to cope with having a wife, kids, monthly house mortgage, and an asshole boss in your late 20's/early 30's. Then again, you could always take more drugs??? Talk about vicious circles. The irony of this is that many of these socially accepted legally prescribed drug addicts point their fatty fingers at guys that smoke weed-a drug that nobody has ever even died from. Prozac WD's often involve suicidal thoughts. Weed WD's are virtually nonexistent by comparison.
 
FyI: Suddefed cold and flu symptom medication really helps. Been there, done that. and a week on the suddefed and your withdrawl should get better. Its just the first week that sucks. Hang in there.
 
20ss02 said:
NO, NO, NO

Opiate withdrawl is not dangerous or life threatening. It's uncomfortable, but he will get through it. The only way to succeed is to quit.


I have to disagree with you on that one I was on Oxy's for two years due to 8 surgeries and at the end I was taking 320 mgs a day and 40 mgs of percocets and I tried to stop on my own and I went into cardiac arrest and was rushed to the hospital where I spent 4 nights after. I was on a very large amount though!

I know that Xanax does help you to calm down some and also I would get in my jet tub or a warm bath to help my joints from aching! I also know that weed helps some too. I had a friend that when he came off of them he took methadone the first two days & it helped him but I wouldn't recommenD that at all. I would really talk to your Doctor and see what h can give you to help because take it from me it's very dangerous and painful to do it on your own cold turkey!! Good Luck bro. I've been off of that stuff for 4 years now and I am so happy to have been able to live without it!!
 
BigCracker said:
This is a myth. Do you know what the success rate is for addicts that go through a program like AA or NA??? It's about 5%. The success rate for addicts that quit on their own? It's 5% as well. Although I do think having someone to confide in and help you through WD's would be beneficial.

I actually joined EF as a part of conquering my 5yr daily nubain habit(mainline painkiller similar to morphine). I didn't quit by choice. My dealer just encountered some problems right before I was supposed to score so I was forced to quit cold turkey. How did I deal with it? The 1st 24 hrs clean wasn't so bad-butat the 24 hr mark I was tired, constipated, nauseous, and seriously considering a road trip to mexico to score on my own. Thank God I felt too shitty to make the 5 hr drive. I felt like clenching my fists and flexing all of my muscles I was in so much pain. I also couldn't sleep no matter how tired that I was. I smoked a lot of weed for the anxiety-it seemed to help, but not much. After about 3 days of absolute hell, I started feeling a little better. I made myself go to the gym. My workouts were shit-but I felt slightly better afterwards which made it worth the trip. I still couldn't sleep more than an hour or so a night. I would take 2-3 showers throughout the night to try to relax myself, but it only helped a little. After about 3 weeks of this I started sleeping a few hrs at a time and feeling much better overall. I still had to keep myself busy posting on EF, going fishing, and riding my motorcycle to keep from thinking about how bad I was jonesin'. After another week I seemed to feel normal-but the thought of shooting up still entered my mind 5-6 times a day. After about 3 months clean I still thought of shooting up-but only once a day or so. After about a yr I started realizing just how fucked up I was-I hear it takes that long for your brain chemistry to return to normal. Anyway, it's been almost a yr and a half
I've been of nubain now. I've been offered it a few times but I couldn't do it. The 3 days of withdrawals was incentive enough to say no-but the month of sleepless nights that followed is really what scared me into never wanting to use it again.

Good luck bro-you're about to test your manhood. Smoke weed, stay busy, and stay away from other users that don't have what it takes to kick.


I agree with you Cracker it took me a long time before I didn't crave it and I mean sometimes I dreamed about it and woke up freaking out cause it felt so real that I thought I had taken something. As time passes by you get stronger and stronger!! The main thing is you have to want to quit not because somebody else wants you to and I find that I know more people that have went to meetings and after talking about it it made them want it more and they would run out and do it!

Jumpshot you nailed that one on the head because that it what my Doctor told me is that if you have an addictive personality and you give up say pain killers and that lifestyle you have to replace it with something else and for me that was working out again!!
 
If your still having trouble PM me bro, I went through it for 5 years SEVERE ADDICTION with Oxycontins apx 400mgs per day 5 80's a day crushed and snorted to break down the time release. I've been clean for a long time now and my life has never been better. @ my worst I was 145lbs @ 5' 11" I'm now back up to 215lbs...GOD BLESS GEAR, Well and alot of devotion to diet and the gym. Well, Good luck bro and God Bless. Hit me up if you ever just need someone to talk to, whatever. If you want PM Me, I'll even give you my # if you need someone to talk to thats been there and done that when it seems like you just want to say Fuck it and use...and You will...Want To...Maybe not actually use, but trust me. There will be at least 100 times over the next ?? Years that you will deeply consider using, and it's those times when you need good bro's and family. It helps when someone actually "KNOWS WHAT YOUR FEELING" Peace, Drols
 
Poor bro is probably spraying out of both ends. He's probably about 1/2 way through the worst of it. Hopefully he can't score cuz he'll eventually have to start all over again.
 
jumpshot said:
what really suprised me is how many ef regulars have battled addiction. well I guess what really suprises me is that I didn't expect it.

seems like many people have replaced their drug of choice with lifting/juice. perhaps the addictive personalities are now addicted to something else? good thing lifting and proper use of juice is healthy!


I have pointed this out before, but it is rarely responded to, and that is that probably most bbr's out there - maybe upwards to 80% are true addicts or have the "addicte gene" or potential addict personality. Even though body builders are shoving heroin into their veins, their shoving gear into their muscles or popping dbol tabs to get their fix - their fix is the rush of working out - the result of the workout and of course - pure vanity. Don't get me wrong fellow bbrs...there's nothing wrong in looking good, but who are we kidding when we say "Oh, I'm living the healthy lifestyle cuz I eat right, don't do drugs.." yet it's almost hypocritical to say that since steroids is a drug. Sure, you're not getting an overwhelming sense of euphoria that numbs your body and mind, but the exact opposite. When I studied everything about steroids and their sides, I was like "well if I don't abuse steroids...I should be fine.." Well that is true, but what constitutes abuse? I listened to a doctor on a well known radio show admit that taking steroids at the appropriate dosages above the norm shows and proves to be good to the body resulting with positive effects - muscle growth. But taking gear like most ef bbrs hear do is straight out abuse. I mean, come on, 2-5 grams per cycle? even 1 gram of gear is a lot for the body and then we wonder why there are so many of those "Hey bro's .. I think I have gyno.." or those other posts, "i know my cholestoral results are horrible...but..should I stay on cycle or get off.."

We talk ourselfs into believing that we aren't addicts..If you would have asked my 15 years ago if I would have ever stabbed myself with a needle just to grow muscle, I would have told you, "are you high? I don't cheat..cheaters are losers!" But then, I found a nice nifty new drug, and that drug was speed and ecstacy in the early 90's. I was spun out for 2 years and finally got sober on my own. But , I also learned something about myself that I kind of liked that rush..so fast forward to age 30 - working out for over 11 years at this point, can't grow anymore, started taking prohormones - saw some benefits and the right guy showed up at the gym who introduced me to eq and now well...i love gear :) And I know there are consequences to using gear. Hell, I just had a major gyno removal / lipo surgery because of gear! Am I going to do gear again? Well...yes..Is it risky...well...yes...Am I an addict ....well..no...not in a true sense that is..I can start and stop anytime I want..I don't have that drive that my 'addict' friends have. Quite possibly most of us are like that, we have that potential to become an addict to something given the right circumstances, while others are just born that way. Some of us have injuries or medical conditions which require meds which cause us to be physiologically addicted..and yes, it's really hard to quit.. I guess it's a struggle within us all to find the right path and I guess if we stay focused we won't lose control. And for those who are trying to get off of pain killers, if you can't do it your self, you'll need some help.

Big_Joe, when you withdraw from your morphine, taper slowly - over weeks. This might take up to 2 months to do. If you need help in a taper plan, pm me. But, here's the catch: As you withdraw from your meds, your body will cause you to feel more pain that you actually are feeling physically, therefore, you'll crave the morph even more. It's your body's pain receptors coming back alive and you're feeling pain you haven't felt in a while. We all feel pain and we get used to it and after a while, we don't feel normal aches and pains anymore because our brains adapt to it, with the except of real injuries. So, withdrawing from morph will seem like hell, which it is, but those pains will start to leave in about 10 days. If you are taking morph from a doctor who is prescribing it, tell him, or go to another doc and let him know that you want to w/d from pain meds to see how bad your 'real' pain is. He can prescribe you meds that will ease you off without the withdrawls. Once you get sober, see how you feel and then decide which way you want to go - to get back on or to stay sober.

The funny but sad thing I found out is that most speed addicts end up using steroids...and that kind of hit close to home for me :p

Good luck with your withdrawls and if you need any help, we're all here for ya.

Also, anyone who is abusing pain meds and is trying to get off, you might want to research or google "kratom". It's a natural herb thats legally sold that acts like an opiate in your system reducing the pains of w/ds and even giving you a slight euphoric effect. It works for most people. It usually comes in a powder which you turn it into a tea and then you drink it. I personally, haven't tried it..but it works wonders...
 
Spare Tire-Big props to you for your candidness. I couldn't agree with you more. Too bad that many here won't see the forest among the trees. Dope comes in many forms-and not all of them are chemical based.
 
tnx cracker..

i know we (humans) are flawed, so we must help each other in the best way possible. True, using gear might not be technically sober, but for the most part, if used correctly can promote a healthy lifestyle. And hell, it's sure of a lot healthier than the alternatives like heroin, speed, crack, etc... :)
 
We we probably break a google record. Everybody is going to be looking up
" kratom ". Thanks for the advice. I appreciate you taking the time to post all of that. Peace.
 
sparetire said:
tnx cracker..

i know we (humans) are flawed, so we must help each other in the best way possible. True, using gear might not be technically sober, but for the most part, if used correctly can promote a healthy lifestyle. And hell, it's sure of a lot healthier than the alternatives like heroin, speed, crack, etc... :)

Hell, you don't even need to go there. The lifestyle of working too much, sleeping too little, eating shitty foods, and daily consumption of tobacco products/booze the typical American has must be way worse for you-and it's totally normal, socially acceptable and legal to live that way. Yet, in most people's eyes, roid users rank lower on the loser-meter than these everyday, avg. guys that have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.
 
do not stop cold turkey.....contact your doctor or a methadone clinic and explain to them what is going on and they will instruct you what to do..dont listen to anyone advice but a doctor that specializes in them..pills are a horrible thing to start taking...if you can do without then never start...sorry you have to suffer through this
 
digit0x said:
words from a true pimp.


Chicks...always looking for a fixer upper guy. Too bad they don't have the same attitude towards real estate. Fixing up an old house would take a lot less work and turn a better profit 99% of the time. Old habits die hard though. A lot of girls need cock around to keep their self worth in check.
 
Valium/Welbutrin I hear they give people who detox to help them along. Also keep yourself Hydrated if you start to vomit(Gatorade). GOOD LUCK!!!! If it gets real bad go to an ER
 
what really suprised me is how many ef regulars have battled addiction. well I guess what really suprises me is that I didn't expect it.

seems like many people have replaced their drug of choice with lifting/juice. perhaps the addictive personalities are now addicted to something else? good thing lifting and proper use of juice is healthy!

yup
 
We we probably break a google record. Everybody is going to be looking up
" kratom ". Thanks for the advice. I appreciate you taking the time to post all of that. Peace.

that's what i'm doing at the moment
interesting herb
 
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