On cycle & after PCT bloodwork.. help needed!

[ryan666]

Hi Guys,


thanks for the feedback. Seems my SBGH is too high (just out of range) and my Progesterone is too low but I am not understanding why my test is low aswell as my e2. According to my research, the feedback loop should kick in the test production when the estrogen is low.. it is now so low its out of range too!


I am sure you guys know of the famous Power PCT by Dr. Skally who recommends doses of 2500ui EOD for pct (10 shots) along with nolva and clomid. this is the programme i followed.


My balls seem to be normal size, even if not a bit bigger than normal,


Im not here to argue about whats right and not, just want some advice where to go from here. Ideally, im going to jump onto another cycle for summer but this time I want to do it right so im waiting it out.


@muscladdict

I think the prolactin range is ok <430. seems my prolactin dropped from 225 to 80, which seems to be good. It was one of the key values i wanted to check in my bloodwork.


I have been tryign to get hold of aromasin for a long time now. Every dealer I bump into has never heard of it same with caber/dostinex. Anything else you can recommend?

 

[A Soft Koala]

Hi Guys,


thanks for the feedback. Seems my SBGH is too high (just out of range) and my Progesterone is too low but I am not understanding why my test is low aswell as my e2. According to my research, the feedback loop should kick in the test production when the estrogen is low.. it is now so low its out of range too!


I am sure you guys know of the famous Power PCT by Dr. Skally who recommends doses of 2500ui EOD for pct (10 shots) along with nolva and clomid. this is the programme i followed.


My balls seem to be normal size, even if not a bit bigger than normal,


Im not here to argue about whats right and not, just want some advice where to go from here. Ideally, im going to jump onto another cycle for summer but this time I want to do it right so im waiting it out.


@muscladdict

I think the prolactin range is ok <430. seems my prolactin dropped from 225 to 80, which seems to be good. It was one of the key values i wanted to check in my bloodwork.


I have been tryign to get hold of aromasin for a long time now. Every dealer I bump into has never heard of it same with caber/dostinex. Anything else you can recommend?

Arimidex substitutes for Aromasin and Prami subs for Caber.

 

[ryan666]

Aromasin is a type II aromatise inhibinator. Adex is a type I. it works in a different way to adex.

Do you think i really should whack in adex when my estrogen is already below the normal range??

 

[Phiba Optik]

Hey sorry if this seems off topic, but just out of curiosity..how old are you?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Estrogen was measured. Test levels rose in all men that participated in the study. Mean age in the first study was 29. You saying that their testosterone was going to increase natty in their 30's?

I have respect for you Nelson...you have a lot of knowledge that people on this board really appreciate. But I feel that if you come out and call something "bullshit," then you should have something better to say then "read my book" to find out why.

You think 30's is old? If someone does a cycle at 28 and is suppressed he certainly can get his T level up. And I never tell anyone to just read my book, it's just that this topic goes on and on and is too complex to explain in a post or two.

 

[ryan666]

Hey phiba,

im 30, 180lbs, 5'11

My concern is why my bloodwork is showing low test, not just now, but EVEN WHEN i was on cycle and doing 500mg.wk

I asked the labs for Free test, % test but they do only total test.

The only other thing I take (somewhat) regularly is antihistamines... along with Multis, fish oil, milk thistle, creatine and now added forma back in

any help or advice appreciated

 

[A Soft Koala]

You think 30's is old? If someone does a cycle at 28 and is suppressed he certainly can get his T level up. And I never tell anyone to just read my book, it's just that this topic goes on and on and is too complex to explain in a post or two.

I never said 30 was old and in the study the participants were suffering from chronic hypogonadism. It does not say how they developed the illness. Yes this topic does carry on and the debates do last forever it seems.

 

[Muscleaddict]

The men in the second study had an average age of 44 anyway. So there goes that.

ryan666, if the lab work shows low testosterone while you were on cycle you must have had bunk test cyp or the blood test results are wrong. Those are the only explanations. It's just not possible to have test levels of 7.72 on 500mg test cyp. You could also use proviron to bring down your SHBG and free up some testosterone. Proviron at 25/50mg will not affect your HTPA and it will lower your E2 as well.

 

[ryan666]

Just started my cutting cycle, 50mg winstrol eod and 100mg test prop eod. I will continue with the forma and this time ill add 500ui of HCG EW too

I guess now is not the right time to wait for the HPTA axis to return to normal, maybe I can do that in winter.

Winny and forma both lower SBGH so I hope it works out well in the end.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Just started my cutting cycle, 50mg winstrol eod and 100mg test prop eod. I will continue with the forma and this time ill add 500ui of HCG EW too

I guess now is not the right time to wait for the HPTA axis to return to normal, maybe I can do that in winter.

Winny and forma both lower SBGH so I hope it works out well in the end.

Dude you still get low test!!! You have to let your body recover.

Your chloresterol is thru the fn roof!

Time on + pct = time off

U need to get ur shbg down!!

Do what you want. Why ask for advice if your gonna do it your way anyway!? Why waste our time. Your not ready your body says it just dumb imo

Best if luck