On cycle & after PCT bloodwork.. help needed!

[ryan666]

Hi guys, was on a cycle of tren hex and prop.. had some bloodwork which showed things were not looking too good..

5th march (On cycle)
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testosterone: 7.72 (Ref Range: 9.9-27.8)
Calcium: 2.12 (Ref Range: 2.3-2.6)
Estradiol: 337 (Ref Range: 30-130)
FSH: 0.10 (Ref Range: 2-9)
LH: 0.10
Progesterone: 0.995 (Ref Range: 1.7-4.2)
T4 thyroxine: 23.33 (Ref Range: 12-22)
TSH: 2.16 (Ref Range: 0.27-4.2)
SHBG: 9.05
Hcg beta: 2.33
Prolactin: 225.4 (Ref Range: <430)

This was at 500mg/wk of test cyp using arimidex at 1mg/day and tren hex at 76 EOD (No HCG).. Why does my bloodwork show no test ?!!

I decided to take up dr skallys PCT, so 10 shots of HCG @ 1000ui EOD, Nolva at 20/20/20/20/20/20 clomid at 100/100/100/50 with forma

It is now 15 days after my (45 day) PCT. I have been taking testosterone boosters, taking creatine and doing heavy compound movements below are my test results today;


test: 5.84 (9.9-27.8)
Estradoil: 25.96 (30-130)
FSH: 2.18 (2-9)
LH: 3.60 (1-8)
Projesterone: 0.606 (1.7-4.2)
TSH 2.12 (0.27-4.2)
SHBG 49.62 (15-48)
Cholestrol: 447
Cortisol 396.8 (166-718)
Prolactin: 80.62 (<430)


As you can see my test is still below the normal range !?!

At week 4 of PCT, i lost 10lbs, almost over a few days, but since my weight hasnt dropped anymore and i am starting to feel pumped and good again. But my libido just isnt there!!

What should i do?

Please help!

 

[ryan666]

Anyone??

Here r the values with reference ranges

test: 5.84 (9.9-27.8)
Estradoil: 25.96 (30-130)
FSH: 2.18 (2-9)
LH: 3.60 (1-8)
Projesterone: 0.606 (1.7-4.2)
TSH 2.12 (0.27-4.2)
SHBG 49.62 (15-48)
Cholestrol: 447
Cortisol 396.8 (166-718)
Prolactin: 80.62 (<430)

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Hi guys, was on a cycle of tren hex and prop.. had some bloodwork which showed things were not looking too good..

5th march (On cycle)
-----------
testosterone: 7.72 (Ref Range: 9.9-27.8)
Calcium: 2.12 (Ref Range: 2.3-2.6)
Estradiol: 337 (Ref Range: 30-130)
FSH: 0.10 (Ref Range: 2-9)
LH: 0.10
Progesterone: 0.995 (Ref Range: 1.7-4.2)
T4 thyroxine: 23.33 (Ref Range: 12-22)
TSH: 2.16 (Ref Range: 0.27-4.2)
SHBG: 9.05
Hcg beta: 2.33
Prolactin: 225.4 (Ref Range: <430)

This was at 500mg/wk of test cyp using arimidex at 1mg/day and tren hex at 76 EOD (No HCG).. Why does my bloodwork show no test ?!!

I decided to take up dr skallys PCT, so 10 shots of HCG @ 1000ui EOD, Nolva at 20/20/20/20/20/20 clomid at 100/100/100/50 with forma

It is now 15 days after my (45 day) PCT. I have been taking testosterone boosters, taking creatine and doing heavy compound movements below are my test results today;

Test: 5.84 (Ref Range: 9.9-27.8)
Estradoil: 25.96 (Ref Range: 30-130)
FSH: 2.18 (Ref Range: 2-9)
LH: 3.60
Projesterone: 0.606 (Ref Range: 1.7-4.2)
TSH 2.12 Ref Range: 0.27-4.2)
SHBG 49.62
Cholestrol: 447
Cortisol 396.8
Prolactin: 80.62

As you can see my test is still below the normal range !?!

At week 4 of PCT, i lost 10lbs, almost over a few days, but since my weight hasnt dropped anymore and i am starting to feel pumped and good again. But my libido just isnt there!!

What should i do?

Please help!

Cause u fn took NOLVA with TREN!!!

 

[Muscleaddict]

Your LH level is almost where you want it to be, but it looks like a lot of your test is bound by shbg. Shbg is way too high! Bring that down to around 20 and your test should be in the normal range.

Aromasin will bring down your shbg thereby freeing up testosterone and also will raise your natural test by bringing down E2. 1/2 a tab (12.5mg) EOD for a month. Your LH level should recover more in this time.

Not sure about that reference range for prolactin there but 80ng is way too high as well and will be inhibiting your hpta. Cabaser 0.5mg twice a week for a month then 0.5mg once a week for 2 weeks should sort that out. I've had prolactin issues from 19nors post cycle. That worked for me.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well, your test didn't go up with nolva and clomid for a very simple reason...

NOLVA AND CLOMID DO NOTHING TO INCREASE TEST PRODUCTION.

But I might as well be preaching that the earth is round in the year 1375 with that one.

Cholesterol 445? Dude, you're in bad health all around. And whomever advocated that much HCG should have his license revoked.

Get some UNLEASHED to lower that SHBG. Go off of everything else for a while. Clean out and start recovering. Then do a follow up in 2 months. You may need HRT but it's way too soon to tell.

 

[Muscleaddict]

Well, your test didn't go up with nolva and clomid for a very simple reason...

NOLVA AND CLOMID DO NOTHING TO INCREASE TEST PRODUCTION.

What about the many clinical trials that concluded otherwise? Every study out there shows that clomid boosts LH and testosterone levels? 2 long term studies on men using clomid that were published in the last few months alone show otherwise.

-Study with 86 men treated with only clomid: Total testosterone levels went from an average of 192 ng/dL at baseline to 485 ng/dL.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22044663

-Another study with 46 men treated with only clomid: Total test levels were 228 ng/dL, and went up to 612 ng/dL.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22458540

 

[HOV]

Bump I'd like to hear more on this as well

 

[Nelson Montana]

What about the many clinical trials that concluded otherwise? Every study out there shows that clomid boosts LH and testosterone levels? 2 long term studies on men using clomid that were published in the last few months alone show otherwise.

-Study with 86 men treated with only clomid: Total testosterone levels went from an average of 192 ng/dL at baseline to 485 ng/dL.
Outcomes of clomiphene citrate treatment in young hy... [BJU Int. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI

-Another study with 46 men treated with only clomid: Total test levels were 228 ng/dL, and went up to 612 ng/dL.
Clomiphene citrate is safe and effective for long-te... [BJU Int. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

Here we go again with these bullshit studies. No info on WHY they were hypo. They're young and if they were given nothing at all they would have had an increase in T over time.

There are also no follow ups as to what the levels were one month after cessation. And estrogen wasn't measured, which causes far more side effects than low T. But...whatever. This argument has been going on for over a decade. Believe what you want. if you want my side of it, read my book. I'm really tired of explaining this, especially since there are people who want to believe what they want to believe.

Ask anyone who's done a natty PCT and ask them what worked better in regard to long term recovery. It's pretty much unanimous.

 

[Muscleaddict]

Oh well ok then. I thought you possibly had a tangible explanation. Nevermind, but thanks for the opinion anyway.

 

[A Soft Koala]

Here we go again with these bullshit studies. No info on WHY they were hypo. They're young and if they were given nothing at all they would have had an increase in T over time.

There are also no follow ups as to what the levels were one month after cessation. And estrogen wasn't measured, which causes far more side effects than low T. But...whatever. This argument has been going on for over a decade. Believe what you want. if you want my side of it, read my book. I'm really tired of explaining this, especially since there are people who want to believe what they want to believe.

Ask anyone who's done a natty PCT and ask them what worked better in regard to long term recovery. It's pretty much unanimous.

Estrogen was measured. Test levels rose in all men that participated in the study. Mean age in the first study was 29. You saying that their testosterone was going to increase natty in their 30's?

I have respect for you Nelson...you have a lot of knowledge that people on this board really appreciate. But I feel that if you come out and call something "bullshit," then you should have something better to say then "read my book" to find out why.