Okay, It's Time For Everyone To CHILL THE FUCK OUT!

[xrsist]

Personally, I think it would do a lot of you lads good to learn how to train nattie for awhile.

Build up a good base.

I just had coffee with one of my sometimes training buddies, he first trained me the first year I seriously took on BBing to compete.

He is 6 foot tall and around 18-19 stone (252lbs/115 kg-266 lbs/121kg) most of the time, and about 14% bodyfat most of the time.

He didn't do his first cycle till he was 33.

Now he does one cycle a year, 5 weeks, and really tiny amounts.

All the really massive guys I know held off on doing gear till they were in their 30s.

All the guys in the gym that I see expanding and contracting to shed loads of gear and hardly ever come off. They come off and they get tiny.

Most on the never ending cycles don't have legs or calves either.

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wheres a nice suburb to live in london tatyana?

 

[medical]

You're right! It must ahve been more like 35 years ago. Damn, I'm old.

Your dad was hittin' that? Nice.

Like I say...he won't cop to it but as I got older and came to know the deal, plus talking to his friends from back then he was definitely hitting it. He claims they were just friends. I ain't buying it.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Like I say...he won't cop to it but as I got older and came to know the deal, plus talking to his friends from back then he was definitely hitting it. He claims they were just friends. I ain't buying it.

Hell, if I tapped it I'd be telling everybody.

Anyway, some good points. Yes, it'd be nice if guys came on this board and gathered more info on gear and in the meantime explored new training techniques and tried new supplements to see which work. When they're ready, they can jump into the dark side with more knowledge, a better base and hopefully a reliable source. (Hypotetically speaking that is. I would never suggest to anyone to actually do that).

nemisis is a perfect test subject. Some UNLEASHED/VIGOR/BIG BLAST may be just the thing to get over the hump until things cool down around here.

 

[nemesis 2027]

I'm hanging in there, and putting the gauze on some ankle and ass bites I was gettin.. It's a little rough being an older newb here with this younger tough crowd, but don't count me out, cuz I'm still in.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm hanging in there, and putting the gauze on some ankle and ass bites I was gettin.. It's a little rough being an older newb here with this younger tough crowd, but don't count me out, cuz I'm still in.

Stick around, be real, and you'll get to know a lot of good bros. Yeah, they can be gruff at times but if you talk straight and contribute they'll welcome you in. Best info on the net.

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

buildin muscle nelson..great post

 

[Harleymarleybone]

Who's getting trampled? If you're selling you got a problem. If not, there's nothing you can do but lay low. If you lost money, chalk it up as a cheap lesson. This is what happens when people go into black market businesses. Uncle Sam doesn't like anyone making money without paying taxes. What do they expect?

Maybe some good will come out of all this. For one thing, everyone will be more careful with whom they do business. How many times have you seen guys coming on asking about a new lab that just popped up? Why the fuck would you deal with a lab that has no rep at all? To save twenty bucks?!?! Who are the people making this stuff and under what conditions? It's nuts.

I don't trust UG labs, never did, never will.

Now pay attention, this is important.

Over the years there have been a lot of guys who've received notices for seized overseas shippments. NOTICES. That's it. It isn't worth the cost of the gasoline to go to your house and bust you for 100 bucks worth of personal gear. They want the BIG BOYS and they ain't going to Thailand to find them when they've got guys brewing up millions of dollars of the shit in their basements.

After all the gurus and pendants and pundents and self appointed experts swore that domestic was the way to go, the feds rammed it up their asses. The question shouldn't be "HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN!?" I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. It was long overdue. And it happens when people get greedy and sloppy.

Of course I know in a month everyone gets lax and some will go right back to doing the same dumb shit. But if you get ripped off, or sick, or busted, don't say you weren't warned.

Wow, that's quite lecture. None of it really addresses my point that it seems a little unrealistic to just go on and talk about building muscle when all of this - one of the biggest events in the steroid world since the crackdowns in the Mexican market - is going on. This is the Steroid Forum, no? Why don't you let people just express their concerns and thoughts, as long as they are not violating the basic rules of the board? You seem to be a bit of a control freak.

It seems to me that merely from a business perspective, you would welcome the new exiles from the other boards, let them express their concerns about what happened, give helpful advice, and nurture a new crop of clients to whom you can sell your supplements.

Who is getting trampled? Lots of good people and friends.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Wow, that's quite lecture. None of it really addresses my point that it seems a little unrealistic to just go on and talk about building muscle when all of this - one of the biggest events in the steroid world since the crackdowns in the Mexican market - is going on. This is the Steroid Forum, no? Why don't you let people just express their concerns and thoughts, as long as they are not violating the basic rules of the board? You seem to be a bit of a control freak.
It seems to me that merely from a business perspective, you would welcome the new exiles from the other boards, let them express their concerns about what happened, give helpfull advice, and nurture a new crop of clients to whom you can sell your silly supplements.

Not a control freak bro. It's just that when you have too many peorple screaming that the sky is falling it starts to get out of control and nothing is really accomplished besides more chaos. Hence, the suggestion to chill and see things a little more realistically.

And if you actually used the supplements you wouldn't think they're "silly." Why is it that the people who use them like them and all the criticism comes from those who never used them? Is this what you consider vital information?

Bottom line; everyone is free to discuss this but there comes a time to gather ones composure and think clearly. There isn't much that can be done. Ten more posts on the same subject doesn't help. That's all.

 

[Harleymarleybone]

Not a control freak bro. It's just that when you have too many peorple screaming that the sky is falling it starts to get out of control and nothing is really accomplished besides more chaos. Hence, the suggestion to chill and see things a little more realistically.

And if you actually used the supplements you wouldn't think they're "silly." Why is it that the people who use them like them and all the criticism comes from those who never used them? Is this what you consider vital information?

Bottom line; everyone is free to discuss this but there comes a time to gather ones composure and think clearly. There isn't much that can be done. Ten more posts on the same subject doesn't help. That's all.

Actually, I edited out the "silly" right after I posted it, since it wasn't polite.

But to answer to your first point is easy - the power of suggestion. The answer to your second point is I know what's in 'em. But feel free to send me some free bottles and then you will have convinced a skeptic. Why should anyone buy them, if they don't know for sure they'll work for them?

 

[partagus]

I agree with Nelson. Now you all know why I wnet ape shit two weeks ago on several people who were open forum source posting. This proves my point exactly. Use some common sense and be safe. Great post Nelson, thanks for all the advice and insight.