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ok its official QV EQ vials underdosed

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alright, i think i got 8 200mg draws out of the vial....and will be lucky to get one more, but figure i will. i threw in a preload i had, so that screwed my count up....but i believe i injected 9 times so far (that would be 8 injects, one draw left, and one preload). what is up with this bullshit? now i am looking at 9 weeks of 600mg EQ instead of 10 weeks. that sucks. i guess just adjust down to 400mg for the final two weeks is the only option. fucking QV underdosers.
 
First of all, I have yet to see a Mexican product that is filled properly.

Second, you will ALWAYS lose 5% - 10% of your gear throughout the cycle. (Left in the needles, used to oil the needles, during the exchange of needle etc...)

It sucks but that's the way it is.
 
thing is this...i was very careful NOT to spill out any of that shit....and be very precise. reason i think i'll get 9ml instead of the 8.5 many get. the first draw i dribbled a bit of it out, but was quite careful otherwise. its just bullshit, becuase it fucks up your cycle.....10 weeks to 12 weeks is what i wanted with EQ so i went with higher dosage of 600mg for 10 weeks. now i am going to struggle to get the damn 10 weeks. fuckers. :) well at least its cheap and available.
 
The Terminator said:
That's why it's always a good idea to have and extra bottle on hand (especially when using vet gear).
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yeah, next time i am doing 800mg EQ EW for 12 weeks along, with probably winny 50mg ED, or a 5 week anadrol kick start. i'm gonna buy like 6-8 vials. lol. but i found a nice young fellow who said he can get them for $55 a pop. that is cheap EQ. :p better come through for me. :D
 
You have to account for the oil that is not measured/counted in the needle with each injection. This will increase even moreso with the use of a larger sized gauge needle....ie 18 gauge. 8-9 different injections will account for 8-9 needle fluctuations.

If you draw out ALL the liquid from the bottle into a 10ml syringe, I would bet that it would be closer to the full amount.

However, if you do a search using Warlobo's name a few months back, you will see that QV did have some dosing volume problems. This seems to vary between batches.

BMJ
 
Gonna be heading south to pick some up real soon. I've gotten used to the underdosed Ttokkyo and Brovel products, so I always try to grab extra.

I do recall someone mentioning recently though that QV's 50ml enanthate was actually OVERFILLED. Now that would be a pleasant suprise!!
 
Yes bro, you are right, I got myself a couple of bottles of the 50ml. Enan. and it was slightly overfilled by a couple of ml.
 
I would be careful saying it is underdosed, I think it is properly dosed, it is just underfilled, big difference :)
 
Hell fuckin Ya there overdosed.I just got done with a EQ cycle, I'll tell you what I hate EQ, man I got hardly any suggnificant gain.It made me break out too.No more EQ for my ass.......
 
odds are you were drawing it up wrong, i had their enant, cyp, and eq and they were all properly 'filled', the dosed thing is a whole nother story, and i think you meant to say underfilled, not underdosed...just my $.02
 
BrickGirl said:
I would be careful saying it is underdosed, I think it is properly dosed, it is just underfilled, big difference :)
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Warbird-man, yeah, you had me worried at first when I saw your thread title - underdosed, wrong terminology bro, I'm sure that you meant underfilled, right? Underdosed would mean that it's less than 200 mg per ml in the QV EQ case.

Before you start a cycle, you should always write it out with at least 1cc less than what you have, to account for the lost juice due to getting all of the bubbles out, lubricating the needle, etc.

NN

BTW - How do you like the QV EQ?
 
Most of the mexican stuff are underfilled, I would go with ganabol as they are multi-amps I believe.

-sk
 
yeah i meant underfilled. if it were underdosed there would be a whole different tone to the thread. but i am sure you figured that out. still say they are underfilled no matter what.....but neither here nor there. only on end of week 4 (of 10) of 600mg a week, so feedback will start soon i hope. unless you want to know about thai dbol and green giants with arimidex.....ok, figured you didn't want that input. :D
 
BrickGirl said:
I would be careful saying it is underdosed, I think it is properly dosed, it is just underfilled, big difference :)
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true that what I was gonna say. I had Q.V. product most were overfilled my 50cc's of deca was 53 cc's. I don't think it was underdosed at all either.

I tried all QV products except the winny and prop all right on, usually a bit overfilled.
 
DangerousGrounds said:


true that what I was gonna say. I had Q.V. product most were overfilled my 50cc's of deca was 53 cc's. I don't think it was underdosed at all either.

I tried all QV products except the winny and prop all right on, usually a bit overfilled.
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it was my first time drawing out a vial....so i'm sure i was not perfect....but i know i didn't waste more than maybe 1/4 cc so far. still leaves almost 1cc underfilled. i knew it was underfilled though after the first few draws. just had a feeling. no big deal, i'll just adjust accordingly. got three preloads with 500mg sust 200mg EQ, and now will have to do about 5 250mg sust with no EQ (once a week out of three shots), all the while supposed to be doing 250mg sust and 200mg EQ throughout three times a week. gotta improvise i guess. only very slight (if any) difference in the outcome of course.
 
The only way to really tell would be to buy a 10cc syringe and draw the entire contents out. That'll give you your most accusrate measurement. i don't persoanlly think they are underfilled but i haven't checked them yet...
 
IronFist said:
The only way to really tell would be to buy a 10cc syringe and draw the entire contents out. That'll give you your most accusrate measurement. i don't persoanlly think they are underfilled but i haven't checked them yet...
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That's right, YMK tried it and got exactly 9 mls out of a couple of vials.

This was when QV had just started
 
WB

I posted a similar post about this (which turned into a flame war) Except I was underfilled by Brovel 2cc's each 10cc bottle I had. I know...I know BROVEL sucks and I should have known better, however you always hope your shit will be better than what you heard.

Although I must say that this is the first time I heard it about QV. I think that many of us use vet gear (due to certain geographic location you live in) it's a frustrating and unfortunate thing we have to deal with. Next time buy extras.LOL

Pressr23
 
You THINK you got 8 200mg draws? You BELIEVE you injected 9 times? You need to be CERTAIN about it before you make an "official" statement like that.
 
Surgical said:
You THINK you got 8 200mg draws? You BELIEVE you injected 9 times? You need to be CERTAIN about it before you make an "official" statement like that.
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99.9% sure bro. lol. i did three weeks....that is 9 shots. one was a preload. and i got 1cc left by my estimations. so that equals 9ml to me. if it turns out i get 2ml out of that little bit at the bottom of the vial, i'll eat my words. ;)
 
I have seen this so many times and lets say its pure bullshit. how do I know? How many of you have ever made fina? How many have you while making it got a 10 cc syringe to make it? how amny of you have used that syringe to see what qv fills out at? Well if you have not tried this please do and you will see whats bullshit and whats not. No disrespect to anybody. And by the way use a brand new bottle and let everyone know. You'll find its both dosed and filled as labled. Oh by the way I went to HEB the other night and got my prescription morphine tabs and they where underfilled. When I called back I was told " we found it dropped"
 
flexed1 said:
I have seen this so many times and lets say its pure bullshit. how do I know? How many of you have ever made fina? How many have you while making it got a 10 cc syringe to make it? how amny of you have used that syringe to see what qv fills out at? Well if you have not tried this please do and you will see whats bullshit and whats not. No disrespect to anybody. And by the way use a brand new bottle and let everyone know. You'll find its both dosed and filled as labled. Oh by the way I went to HEB the other night and got my prescription morphine tabs and they where underfilled. When I called back I was told " we found it dropped"
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i got one nice brand new full bottle here..i'm gonna draw that bitch like a surgeon...and not spill nothing...and hit the 2cc mark on the nose each time...and my bets on 8.5-9cc. ;) we shall see. and no i'm not filling a 10cc syringe. lol :FRlol:
 
telling ya get a 10 cc syringe there everywhere (lol) let us know but just for fun try to find ya a 10 cc and I happen to have an old one so I will go to a friends and see what his is as he has some.
 
okay just tested a new uncapped bottle came in at 10 cc on the nose. it was cyp and now my friend will be pissed at this was his bottle.
 
My eq deca was a little short. Just the breaks I guess.
 
flexed1 said:
okay just tested a new uncapped bottle came in at 10 cc on the nose. it was cyp and now my friend will be pissed at this was his bottle.
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lol. your crazy bro. must be because your a shorty too. :FRlol: but i think its the EQ there is a problem with like i said in the PM.....there are a lot of complaints on the QV EQ being underfilled, not the other QV products. but maybe i'll find a 10cc and fill it up, then i can just dump 1cc in my sust amp each time and draw like that. no big deal to figure this out for sure. i'm not too worried though, its cool...i mean really its a vet product and we should be happy to have agood company making it available. just that i paid a lot for these two since me and my source just got a line on QV with me being the first guy to order :D. so next time when i pay pretty much 1/2-3/4 price, i won't say a word. ;)
 
underfillled not underdosed.

I have friends that are ripping through QV products and they have found them all to be 10CC. Isn't this your first cycle using needles - I would blame user error rather then underfilled vials. Some people don't mesure there dosage properly which leads to a shot that is a little more the a cc. Do that 8 x's and you will be short.
 
JKD said:
underfillled not underdosed.

I have friends that are ripping through QV products and they have found them all to be 10CC. Isn't this your first cycle using needles - I would blame user error rather then underfilled vials. Some people don't mesure there dosage properly which leads to a shot that is a little more the a cc. Do that 8 x's and you will be short.
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yes i got yelled at about 10 times for the incorrect statement of underdosed...but thanks for one more time :D. anyone want to spank me now for saying that? lol, and i'm the main guy who spell checks his posts like no other. oh well.......:D........but i am very anal and precise TBO. i was a bit pissed the first draw (25G) so i may have spilled a bit more than usual....and i make sure to hit the 1cc mark every time, and let me tell you.......when i fill my 1cc of sust right after that bitch hits the 2cc mark like magic. :) so i don't think its my technique....first timer or not. i believe the overwhelming opinion is that the QV EQ is underfilled...there have been threads on it as well as vets in this thread comment on it. neither here nor there though, nothing to argue about a cc or so. just that it would be better to have overfilled. ;)
 
That suck bro - I do believe OV to be underdosed but have no proof. Most people I know using QV EQ think it's bunk. My friend is running 800mgs for 14 weeks. His gains have be vary poor. He has done a similiar cycle of ultragain and his results were much better.

How are your gains or is you still in the early stages?
 
JKD said:
That suck bro - I do believe OV to be underdosed but have no proof. Most people I know using QV EQ think it's bunk. My friend is running 800mgs for 14 weeks. His gains have be vary poor. He has done a similiar cycle of ultragain and his results were much better.

How are your gains or is you still in the early stages?
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week 4 1/2 of 10....sust/EQ (750/600 EW)....with dbol 50mg 1-5 and fina 6-13. up 6 lbs and gotten dozens of compliments on size/vascularity/fat loss even. using arimidex with dbol though..so i expect lean mass gains in a month or so of dbol high dose with arimidex. this is a lean mass cycle also, so only 3500-4000 cals clean. EQ/sust may not be doing much yet....we shall see. i hear mixed reviews on it. some say shit...some say great. no biggie, the sust is real as is the dbol and fina. so cycle will be good nonetheless. thing is that i intend to do 12 weeks of EQ next cycle. so would be nice to know of feedback on QV EQ only cycles. :) i can get it cheap now. :D
 
Dude in couple more weeks you will be blasting off. You should be real happy with that cycle. Good luck
 
people who don't see any results of legit gears are the ones who don't eat enough or at times workout correctly. I can look at any qv product and gain.
 
"people who don't see any results of legit gears are the ones who don't eat enough or at times workout correctly. I can look at any qv product and gain."

My buds that use the sauce are really regimented when it comes to trianing and diet - so there goes your theory.

I am not saying that all QV products are shit - I just think QV EQ might not be worth the money. Its your cash spend it how you want.

You really can't say if a drug is good or not until you isolate it in a cycle. Most people here stack - so they might be stacking test with eq and they get good gains. However it could be that they are getting the gains from only one of the drugs in there cycle.

General Concensus is that QV t200 and QV deca 300 are great products.
 
JKD said:
Dude in couple more weeks you will be blasting off. You should be real happy with that cycle. Good luck
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yeah, my buddy was over last night to pick something up and was like you'll be getting huge in a week or so (he knows how i train and eat/supp)...then he was like, damn you already got big! the 6 lbs looks really good on me since it sincerely is lean gains (and 6 lbs on me looks like 12 lbs for some reason due to my sturcture and all). my pants are actually falling off now, so no fat gain whatsoever....i'd say fat loss if anything (yes on dbol/arimidex plus the short acting esters of the sust i suppose, lol). so yeah, since i am looking at about 10 lbs before blast off...i think even though i am holding back my cals (well if 4K is holding back for a 180lb guy with an average metabolism) i may overachieve my 15 lean lbs gain i was looking for. time will tell. long way to go here, then post cycle too. ;)
 
My buds that use the sauce are really regimented when it comes to trianing and diet - so there goes your theory.

I am not saying that all QV products are shit - I just think QV EQ might not be worth the money. Its your cash spend it how you want.
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Quality empirical data!

The only way to tell if gear is good is to see if it tests out to the label claims. Going by a friend's results or even your own interpretations is misleading since there are far too many factors involved to isolate. Even if you think you are doing everthing the same, you are not going to always get the same results. If a compound tests out to be legitimate, and dosed correctly, that is what matters. I have mostly seen good things from QV tests.

As for being underfilled, one also has to remember that the needle tip in the syringe also contains more substance. This means that you could be overfilling each dose, leading to there being less at the end.
 
Jguns said:


Quality empirical data!

The only way to tell if gear is good is to see if it tests out to the label claims. Going by a friend's results or even your own interpretations is misleading since there are far too many factors involved to isolate. Even if you think you are doing everthing the same, you are not going to always get the same results. If a compound tests out to be legitimate, and dosed correctly, that is what matters. I have mostly seen good things from QV tests.

As for being underfilled, one also has to remember that the needle tip in the syringe also contains more substance. This means that you could be overfilling each dose, leading to there being less at the end.
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you happen to have any links to QV EQ test results by chance? a few on here would die to see them. thanks.
 
I deal with a hell of alot of qv eq 200 and deca 300 everyday.....i can say without a doubt that there is not even .0001 ml to play with in the current bathes of these products.

meaning that i find most vials to be between 9.75-10.25ml and this is with snapping the cap off NOT pulling thru the plunger. Anytime you pull thru the plunger figure on loosing at least .5 ml by the time the vial is empty.

Having said this there was a time no so long ago where all the qv vials were overfilled in my opinion.

This is simply my experience with the product. So the current sitiation is: underfilled on occassion... underdosed- unlikely based on the positve feedback from the users i know.

Sombat
 
Like mentioned earlier, the only way to tell is to use a 10ml syringe. Do a search on Slopain and Warlobo and Your_MOMS_KNEEPADS.

On another another note, if you draw out your liquid (using a 3cc Terumo) exactly to 1ml using an 18 gauge 1-1/2", then switch over to a 1" 25 gauge needle, you will get OVER 1 ml. The added volume from the 18 gauge will add another 1/10; therefore, a 1-1/10 ml is not uncommon at times. If you draw up 9 ml's and add 10 x 1/10, this will give you an even 10 ml's.

BMJ
 
everyone say they traina nd eat right so who knows. all qv test results come back fine. they ahve been posted over and over so maybe your friend just does not do well with eq as it personally kicks my butt stacked OR by itself.
 
flexed1 said:
everyone say they traina nd eat right so who knows. all qv test results come back fine. they ahve been posted over and over so maybe your friend just does not do well with eq as it personally kicks my butt stacked OR by itself.
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well if enough people vouch for it as a stand alone...i'll jump on it for 12 weeks with winny. or maybe just alone. won't be for like 3 months though. just would hate to waste another 3 months like with the generic anavar. i hate that shit. :mad: and i monitor my food intake down to the most minute # of calorie and macronutrient, trust me. my training...i never miss a day and go at least above average hard every workout. i'm no animal by any means....but above average. so those won't be a problem.
 
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