Off of juice and On to Prohormones: My Experiment

[pa1ad]

pa1ad,

Yes, yes, 1-AD is not there....yet. I may give that a shot when dieting, or based on my reaction to 4AD. One thing I never did with steroids was take them individually. I always stacked from cycle one. This time, I think I'll see how I react to each substance, then experiment with stacks. Just a thought, who knows, I tend to get ancy.

I have heard a little about Vitex(isn't that the same as Maca) on Elite and on AF. Some say it merely helps with libido, other places tout it as an anti-estrogen. Estrogen isn't too much of a worry, but I do like the effects anti-estrogens/aromatases (arimidex/proviron/nolvadex) had on my body. They make me very "tight".

What brands of Vitex are you guys using, and where do you get them?

can someone state some evidence regarding vitex other than "someone said it works?" I always thought that Vitex was something women took to relieve PMS, and that the fact that Vitex contains progesterone is what was responsible for this. Since when did Vitex become a bodybuilding supplement for men.

Not that you guys won't buy the stuff anyway without a shred of evidence behind it. why do i bother

 

[pa1ad]

Maca is OTC, it's an herb, you can find it in just about any herb shop. I think it's a very old herb used by indians in S.America that used it to increase their libido. To me it works hell of a lot better than tribulus. W/ 4ad, my nuts started shrinking, they ascended all the way up. After 1 day of Maca they went to normal size, descended all the way down to normal level, and libido increased much more than tribulus.

PA, correct me if i'm wrong, but when your body is fighting to produce more of it's own testosterone the testes will ascend closer and closer to the penis. When natural testosterone production is going back to normal levels they will descend. This is what has been explained to me, is it wrong?

I have never heard of this before. It sounds very hokey

 

[riskybizz007]

I like your terminology PA. It sounded a bit "hokey" to me too at first lol. But seriously I know when your natural test starts to come back your testes will descend and go back to natural size. And Maca did it in just 1 day. And increased libido much more than tribulus ever did. I paid $5 for a bottle, for that amount of money it's worth a try even if it's just for shit and giggles, but if you're like me trying to find a "legal clomid" this is not it, but still much more effective than trib.

 

[growin']

I know this board is for supplements, but maybe we should be using Clomid instead? It's super cheap, easy to get, and turns the average joe into a porn star.

Having your nuts ascend doesn't mean your HPTA is affected, it could mean you're cold. When your nuts go from the size of big walnuts to small grapes (like 10 weeks on 1000mg test did to me) you know you're shut down.

But seriously, after 2 weeks, I don't think 4-AD will shut you down that much. I guess the only way to really tell would be through blood tests, or using calipers to measure actual change in testicle size.

Seems like the consensus on MACA is rather shaky at the moment, think I'll wait. PA1AD, I'm all for waiting until I see solid research.

 

[Triple J]

I want to announce my nuts have ascended for the winter. I am going to try to coax them back down with some maca and tribex. If that does not work I am moving to Florida.

 

[riskybizz007]

Go to south beach and your nuts will feel just fine lol. j/k. I believe your HTPA can be shut down even after 36 hours of certain drugs. I know not all will shut it down at same time, but some of the more potent ones will only take 1 day to shut it down. Where would you think that 4AD wouldn't shut it down.. "that much". It either is shut down or it isn't, there is no half way shut down or 1/3 the way shut down.

And about your nuts being ascended and you being cold, that is true, but that would not attribute to your nuts shrinking and being ascended the whole day and night for several days straight. And besides, i'm in FL. Yes your nuts can ascend from both HTPA and from cold. But there's a big difference in how much they ascend, how long they ascend for, and the fact that they will shrink.

So considering i'm not cold, ruling that out, it would have to be my HTPA being affected. And i don't really think i need a measuring device to tell me my nuts got back to their normal size, and my sex drive skyrocketed, nor do i need it to show me my natural test is being produced more efficiently after the maca b/c the proof can be observed in the family jewels. One that they returned to normal size and 2 that they descended once again to normal levels.

This is not a flame, and don't get me wrong on this but that's just the way i see it. And if you wait for Maca to be tested, you might wait many years, or it may never be tested ever. What's the worst that can happen anyway? You pop a boner and lose $5 that's the only negatives i can come up w/.

 

[growin']

I am adamantly opposed to popping boners No flame intended, just trying to proceed with caution

 

[Triple J]

I am with you, bro - I believe these herbs have benefits and effects, and there is no doubt what the cold can do. I'll check out South Beach next time I come to FL, too. To be safe, I'll wear a jock strap in case the nuts get over-descended. LOL

Regarding the maca and tribulus I think they are hypothesized to work through different pathways so there could be synergy. One thing, though, most tribulus supplements recommend they be taken with a meal while the maca I think is usually taken on an empty stomach.

 

[riskybizz007]

If what Pardeus is saying about Tribulus is right, i wouldn't take it. That's one reason i switched over to the maca. If you'd like, try using 1 and then the other and see which works best for you. And about the boner thing, yes you gotta be careful cuz you'll feel like 16 again and just start popping boners out of nowhere. lol.

 

[pa1ad]

G Where would you think that 4AD wouldn't shut it down.. "that much". It either is shut down or it isn't, there is no half way shut down or 1/3 the way shut down.

No, there are varying degrees of suppression. Rarely is anyone ever completely suppressed. Depending on the amount and potency of exogenous steroid in the system, LH and FSH levels will decrease accordingly. Tell me how many people have you heard of that have testosterone levels of 0?