Nolva vs. Clomid post-cycle....is it better?

[Nighthawkk]

meathead, why do you say clomid increases natural test while nolv does not? They both serve a similar function as an anti-estrogen, and they do not inherently create the testosterone to be produced on their own. They create an environment in which the natural test is recovered quicker; hence, as Nolva is more stonger mg for mg in serving this function, wouldn't it make sense to use it over clomid, as sides are less pronounced (if there are any at all)?

 

[newpump]

Why not just run BOTH Clomid and Nolvadex? Then all your bases are covered... right?

 

[bowling ball nutz]

Why not just run BOTH Clomid and Nolvadex? Then all your bases are covered... right?

I Give up!



go ahead and learn for your selves, clomid sides are worse than the sides from the juice itself, mental and physical(acne)

 

[QuadzzJr]

I asked my friend, who is a doctor and is going to write my script for test, about clomid and nolvadex. He has never used AS for bodybuilding, so his insight is from a doctor's point of view, medically speaking. He thinks that clomid sounds like not a good thing to take at all, since it is primarily given to women as a fertility drug. He suggested to me to use nolvadex instead....keeping in mind, this is his medical expertise talking, not his actual experience with the two. I may take his suggestion and go with nolvadex for the end of this, my first cycle. Damn post-cycle shit at the pharmacy costs as much, if not a little more, than test!!

 

[Juice Authority]

Though I've used clomid before post-cycle, I'd like to give nolv a try. I have both liquid and 20mg pill form of it. My cycle is a Sust/Deca 8-weeker so I'm trying to plan out the best course of recovery. Any suggestions regarding the nolv post-cycle?

I use both post-cycle.

 

[Juice Authority]

I asked my friend, who is a doctor and is going to write my script for test, about clomid and nolvadex. He has never used AS for bodybuilding, so his insight is from a doctor's point of view, medically speaking. He thinks that clomid sounds like not a good thing to take at all, since it is primarily given to women as a fertility drug. He suggested to me to use nolvadex instead....keeping in mind, this is his medical expertise talking, not his actual experience with the two. I may take his suggestion and go with nolvadex for the end of this, my first cycle. Damn post-cycle shit at the pharmacy costs as much, if not a little more, than test!!

You're Doctor is right. Clomid is used as a fertility drug with some pretty fucked up side effects (at least for me). It works though for restoring your hpta but so does Nolva. Apparently 20mg's of Nolva is just as effective as 150mg's of clomid. Here's the study:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?threadid=113118&highlight=Sane+Cycle

The choice of a Tamoxifen/clomiphene/spironolactone combination

The choice for a tamoxifen/Clomiphene combo is primarily because of two factors. Only one relevant study (1) came up as far as recovery after a stack of products (testosterone and nandrolone) was used for twelve weeks, utilized HCG and both clomiphene and tamoxifen to achieve a complete recovery of the HPTA to acceptable levels in 45 days. The second reason is the raging war over which is the better post-cycle drug, clomiphene or tamoxifen has lead to several conclusions. The first is that while 150 mg of clomiphene and 20 mg of tamoxifen have lead to roughly a similar increase in LH levels (17) , but that with the high dosing of clomiphene over time there are certain disadvantages. Such as that it may damage eyesight and may act as a weak estrogen (18) in undesirable places (like the pituitary). So using tamoxifen alongside it will allow us to lower the dose and decrease the chance of these side-effects and add the distinct benefit that Tamoxifen (being the stronger of the two) will prevent the clomiphene from exerting any much influence at the pituitary, and that it will increase LH responsiveness to GnRH (17) where Clomiphene does not. Clomiphene is still used as it seems to offer other advantages, such as an increase in SHBG (19), which may seem like a bad thing at first, but which may decrease androgen-related negative feedback and may thus be in our advantage.

Regardless of the final outcome I feel I have settled the dispute, at least in my own head. Why bother figuring it out when we can use both, limit any negative effects and reap the proven benefits of full recovery ? I used to run tamoxifen slightly less long than clomiphene, but given the suppressive effects of the latter at the pituitary, I later decided it wiser to continue running tamoxifen as long as the clomiphene.

 

[silver_shadow]

i think that the acne and moodiness are just the least of clomid symptoms. i have used it before and have never had any of those symptoms- acne maybe but not any worse than i had using test earlier on the cycle. but this time i'll stay away from clomid bcoz i heard that it causes permanent impairment of eyesight. that's my take. this post cycle it'll be just nolva.

 

[Nighthawkk]

I would tend to think that although you may have a quicker recovery using BOTH nolv and clomid, I think I am going to opt to use just nolv and a-dex this time around, solely because of what I keep hearing about the eyesight damage/depression/irritability factors. Yes, without clomid you may not recover as quickly, but if it saves me from acting like a PMSing bitch and losing my eyesight, so be it.

 

[bowling ball nutz]

I would tend to think that although you may have a quicker recovery using BOTH nolv and clomid, I think I am going to opt to use just nolv and a-dex this time around, solely because of what I keep hearing about the eyesight damage/depression/irritability factors. Yes, without clomid you may not recover as quickly, but if it saves me from acting like a PMSing bitch and losing my eyesight, so be it.

dude! all it takes is one or the other, not both! they work!

 

[Nighthawkk]

dude! all it takes is one or the other, not both! they work!

Uhh...why do so many people use both then?