Nolva vs. Clomid post-cycle....is it better?

[satchboogie]

sorry, but nolva is useless for post cycle therapy as it doesnt boost natural test levels (which is what post therapy is all about)

in my opinion, nolva's only use in bodybuilding is during a cycle to somewhat block estrogen.

 

[bowling ball nutz]

If you want to block estrogen use Nolvadex...if you want a post cycle recovery drug use Clomid.

both are practically the same and do the same thing, BLOCK ESTROGEN!

(meathead12)
You honestly think that just by blocking the estrogen (which is all that Nolvadex does) or by stopping the conversion of testosterone to estrogen(which is what Arimidex does)...this alone will raise LH.

when androgens are low, yup thats what happens, its called blocking the negative estrogen feed back which allows for LH production

Also it goes a little deeper than knowing what the drugs are prescribed for, u must also know the mechanism of action before you go thinking this does that and that does this.

Ok, now to teach you about hcg since we have the basis of the other topics covered.

Hcg and clomid are not alike,
clomid is a weak anti e : that can stimulate lh production

hcg: mainly acts as a big burst of lh to bring balls back to size, yes it does stimulate test production, but the production is counterproductive.

 

[Judo Tom]

sorry, but nolva is useless for post cycle therapy as it doesnt boost natural test levels (which is what post therapy is all about)

in my opinion, nolva's only use in bodybuilding is during a cycle to somewhat block estrogen.

dont forget about using it if gyno symptoms start to appear...correct??? or do you prefer using something else?

 

[satchboogie]

dont forget about using it if gyno symptoms start to appear...correct??? or do you prefer using something else?

fair enough.. i'll give you that one.

 

[bowling ball nutz]

sorry, but nolva is useless for post cycle therapy as it doesnt boost natural test levels (which is what post therapy is all about)

in my opinion, nolva's only use in bodybuilding is during a cycle to somewhat block estrogen.

satch, u should know better than that, clomid and novaldex are very similar, and u are going to say nolvadex doesnt work post cycle?

 

[meathead12]

First...you couldnt teach me anything.
Second...everyone should know that HCG doesnt make your body produce anything, it just gives it the missing FSH...not LH, like you say. All you talk about is LH...is that all you think there is? What about FSH, maybe you should look into that considering thats what HCG is...its not LH.
Do you know the difference...do you know where your body produces it? Probably not.
Also, i'm sure the DOCTORS that prescribe these medications and the ones who make them know a little more about them than you. So maybe you should start there when researching, rather than relying on info from a guy who used it and said that it does this.
And clomid and HCG do work the same...moron...they both provide FSH in the end. Why do you think that people dont take them at the same time...because HCG stops the pituitary from producing FSH because thats what HCG is and your body recognizes it.
Clomid, on the other hand, causes the pituitary to produce more FSH, which in turn makes LH, which tells your nuts to make Testosterone.
Maybe you've learned something?

 

[Lxxy]

hehe thats very funny!
Hmmmmm, but im not sure who says the truth! *g*
at this time meathead12 is my favorite but bowling ball nutz is very close to him
bye

 

[bowling ball nutz]

First...you couldnt teach me anything.
Second...everyone should know that HCG doesnt make your body produce anything, it just gives it the missing FSH...not LH, like you say. All you talk about is LH...is that all you think there is? What about FSH, maybe you should look into that considering thats what HCG is...its not LH.
Do you know the difference...do you know where your body produces it? Probably not.
Also, i'm sure the DOCTORS that prescribe these medications and the ones who make them know a little more about them than you. So maybe you should start there when researching, rather than relying on info from a guy who used it and said that it does this.
And clomid and HCG do work the same...moron...they both provide FSH in the end. Why do you think that people dont take them at the same time...because HCG stops the pituitary from producing FSH because thats what HCG is and your body recognizes it.
Clomid, on the other hand, causes the pituitary to produce more FSH, which in turn makes LH, which tells your nuts to make Testosterone.
Maybe you've learned something?

ok, heres u a article by william Llewellyn

HCG

So we now see, contrary to the dominating opinion of the times, that anti-estrogens alone will do little to raise testosterone levels in the early weeks of the post-cycle window. This leaves us to focus on a very different level of the HPTA in order to hasten recovery: the testes. For this we will need the injectable drug HCG. If you are not familiar with it, HCG, or Human Chorionic Gonadotropin, is a prescription fertility agent that mimics the bodies own natural LH. Although the testes are equally desensitized to this drug as LH (they both work through the same mechanism), we are administering it as a measured drug and are therefore not constrained by the limits of our own LH production. We similarly can use HCG to provide a bolus dose of LH (of our choosing), which works only to augment the recovering LH levels we already have in the body. In essence we are looking to shock them with an overwhelmingly high level of LH activity, coming from both endogenous and exogenous sources. We want it to reach a level far above what our body, even when supported by anti-estrogens, could possibly do on its own. The result can be a rapid restoration of original testicular mass and functioning, which would allow normal levels of testosterone to be output much sooner than without such an ancillary program. What we are looking at now is HCG actually being the pivotal post-cycle drug, while anti-estrogens are relegated to a supportive role at best.

 

[bowling ball nutz]

The action of HCG is virtually identical to that of pituitary LH, although HCG appears to have a small degree of FSH activity as well. It stimulates production of gonadal steroid hormones by stimulating the interstitial cells (Leydig cells) of the testis to produce androgens (copy&paste from ferring pharm.)

LH: signals nuts to produce test
fsh: signals nuts to produce sperm

theres no heresay in the above statements only medical facts, so once again before you spout off about something you dont know about get EDUCATED!!

and that is the END!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Nighthawkk]

This is quite the heated topic.... I think despite all the arguing, cases for both Nolv and Clomid can be made. However, it is still apparent they serve the same function- an anti-estrogen which, when used post-cycle, will stimulate the production of natural test since it blocks out conversion to estrogen. HCG would be a plus, but I don't think my nuts have atrophied enough during my 8 weeker to warrant it. Natural methods (avena, maca, trib, etc) should be enough I would think.