Nolva and Clomid are bad? Need a correct PCT layout please.

[jtbtl]

First of all, I did a search in the forums, I couldn't find any threads that basically just layed out the correct way to do PCT. If there is such a thread someone, please provide a link.

I remember years ago, you would just take some HCG for the first week or so and nolva and clomid for about 3 weeks and you were done. Now I am reading online that HCG is bad for PCT? Nolva and Clomid are bad too? What the hell?

So I read the Best PCT of 2010 thread and I noticed there are a bunch of new products listed. The only problem is that the "weeks" and "dosages" and the actual structure of when to take them are not listed.

Let's say you are doing a 10 week cycle, what would be the proper PCT breakdown.

Thanks.

 

[jtbtl]

*bump*????

 

[jtbtl]

really? cool. Thanks.

 

[EZ_E]

Chill out, it's a holiday weekend and not a lot of people are on...No need for comments like that...

It's not that HCG, nolva, aclomid are bad (well, OK...NO-lva is) it's that times have changed...

What's your cycle?

~EZ

 

[jtbtl]

Chill out, it's a holiday weekend and not a lot of people are on...No need for comments like that...

It's not that HCG, nolva, aclomid are bad (well, OK...NO-lva is) it's that times have changed...

What's your cycle?

~EZ

Holiday Weekend? I posted it 8 days ago. Just thought it was interesting that I got 0 replies in 8 days.

Anyways, I haven't started yet because I want to get the PCT sorted out before I start anything. If/When I start something, it will be 10 weeks with something along the lines of 200-300mg/week of Test and probably a little Fina and Winny.

I remember 10 years ago when I did a cycle it was just normal to do your clomid and nolvadex and you were good.

So, with that being said, can you suggest what I should be doing for PCT?
Like I said before, I saw all these other PCT products, but no one has a breakdown of when you should take them. (like what week and for how long and how much)

I just figured no one replied because they really didn't know the answer.

 

[EZ_E]

OK, so be patient...

There may be some additional PCT depending on what you ultimately decide to run, but I run standard PCT (I usually run the same cycle)

A) HCGenerate the last 4-5 weeks of cycle
B) The day after the last pin I start Forma Stanzol 5 pumps a day for 7 weeks
C) Then Post Cycle/Unleashed for 5 weeks so all 3 end @ the same time (as directed on the bottle, I think it's 2 caps twice a day)
D) Then run Bridge


~EZ

 

[littlevedds]

OK, so be patient...

There may be some additional PCT depending on what you ultimately decide to run, but I run standard PCT (I usually run the same cycle)

A) HCGenerate the last 4-5 weeks of cycle
B) The day after the last pin I start Forma Stanzol 5 pumps a day for 7 weeks
C) Then Post Cycle/Unleashed for 5 weeks so all 3 end @ the same time (as directed on the bottle, I think it's 2 caps twice a day)
D) Then run Bridge


~EZ

That seems like alot for PCT! That costs almost double the actually cycle.
What about if you run an easy test e 400mg for weeks 1-10, and tren e 300mg for weeks 3-10, with arimidex EOD weeks 1-14.

I was thinking Allmax's TribX90 1500mg/day for weeks 13-17. And clomid 30mg/day for weeks 13-16.

 

[littlevedds]

**sorry, i meant 25mg clomid

 

[jtbtl]

OK, so be patient...

There may be some additional PCT depending on what you ultimately decide to run, but I run standard PCT (I usually run the same cycle)

A) HCGenerate the last 4-5 weeks of cycle
B) The day after the last pin I start Forma Stanzol 5 pumps a day for 7 weeks
C) Then Post Cycle/Unleashed for 5 weeks so all 3 end @ the same time (as directed on the bottle, I think it's 2 caps twice a day)
D) Then run Bridge


~EZ

Ok thanks for the help.

Just wondering, have you ever had any blood work after you finished this particular PCT? How do you feel. Is this really all you need to get back to "normal"?

 

[EZ_E]

That seems like alot for PCT! That costs almost double the actually cycle.
What about if you run an easy test e 400mg for weeks 1-10, and tren e 300mg for weeks 3-10, with arimidex EOD weeks 1-14.

I was thinking Allmax's TribX90 1500mg/day for weeks 13-17. And clomid 30mg/day for weeks 13-16.

Double the cycle? Where are you gettting juice that cheap?

If $$ is an issue, keep the cycle on the back burner, you can't put a price on proper PCT...

~EZ

 

[EZ_E]

Ok thanks for the help.

Just wondering, have you ever had any blood work after you finished this particular PCT? How do you feel. Is this really all you need to get back to "normal"?

Felt great after this PCT....kept more gains than with any other PCT in the past...

~EZ

 

[EZ_E]

Ok thanks for the help.

Just wondering, have you ever had any blood work after you finished this particular PCT? How do you feel. Is this really all you need to get back to "normal"?

Sorry, double post

~EZ

 

[jtbtl]

Felt great after this PCT....kept more gains than with any other PCT in the past...

~EZ

Alright man, thanks for the help and explaining that stuff.

 

[RPDawg]

OK, so be patient...

There may be some additional PCT depending on what you ultimately decide to run, but I run standard PCT (I usually run the same cycle)

A) HCGenerate the last 4-5 weeks of cycle
B) The day after the last pin I start Forma Stanzol 5 pumps a day for 7 weeks
C) Then Post Cycle/Unleashed for 5 weeks so all 3 end @ the same time (as directed on the bottle, I think it's 2 caps twice a day)
D) Then run Bridge


~EZ

This is what I have been searching for, thanks. I've read a step breakdown of this, but haven't seen any timelines or dosing.

 

[EZ_E]

You're both very welcome, but I can't take credit for the set up.....for that I have to hand off to Needto..

~EZ

 

[tkittlitz]

So EZ_E,

You don't use any clomid or Nolvadex?

Thats great if they can be avoided.

 

[Bidwelling]

What is this PCT unleashed. I can't find it anywhere. Is it a legal supplement or something?

 

[die faster]

post cycle unleashed combo, <-- click the links. i think theyre sold out at need2 though, probbaly be back soon. yes theyre both legal. unleashed lowers your shbg increasing your free test, and post cycle detoxifies your liver, lowers estro a little, helps you get a boner, and a few other things. both of these combined with some forma stanzol, and either hcgenerate or phytoserms makes a nice pct. assuming a basic cycle.

 

[chembeaker]

Hcgenerate, forma-stanzol is the way to go.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Double the cycle? Where are you gettting juice that cheap?

If $$ is an issue, keep the cycle on the back burner, you can't put a price on proper PCT...

~EZ

Agreed. Is it worth the sides and the delayed recovery to save a couple of bucks a day?

 

[needtogetaas]

Good thread

 

[mryar]

Here's info

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Anti-Estrogens And IGF-1 Production
GH (Growth Hormone) is like a master hormone for tissue growth and fat regulation due to its own intrinsic qualities and its propensity to be converted into or trigger the production and release of Growth Factors. Of these Growth Factors, one of the best known in regard to muscle growth is IGF-1 (Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1).

As most are aware by now, IGF-1 is a powerful anabolic and anti-catabolic hormone. Whether in pre-contest mode or packing on the mass, the amount of circulating and stored IGF-1 an athlete maintains plays a powerful role in the results achieved. Obviously as IGF-1 levels decrease so does the potential for packing on the beef, and the amount of lean tissue lost during calorie-restricted periods increases as well. (Not good)
Estrogen, and more so estradiol, can trigger GH release from the pituitary gland. Aromatase inhibitors decrease the amount of circulating estrogen/estradiol and estrogen receptor antagonist keep estrogen out of the specific pituitary receptors. So in many regards the use of anti-estrogens can effect IGF-1 production and in some cases affect the number of IGF-1 receptors our tissues posses.

Product Effect Percentage

Formestane/4-Androstenoldione Increases IGF-1 26%
Femara/Letrozol Increases IGF-1 24%
Cytadren/Aminoglutethimide Increases IGF-1 27%
Aromasin/Exemestane Increases IGF-1 28%

Arimidex/Anastrozole Decreases IGF-1 18%
Nolvadex/Tamoxifen Decreases IGF-1 23.5%
Faslodex/Fulvestrant Decreases IGF-1 70%

 

[needtogetaas]

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