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is this guy an idiot or what? it's like trying to explain why apples are bad for you through showing why tomatoes are good for you...
iron asylum
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I think he means bad more for sports spacific rather than building muscle.
I know a lot of NCAA and NBA athletes that shouldn't squat...because they simply will NOT squat properly. Nolan Richardson at Arkansas would not allow his athletes to squat. He believed that they would build strength but also knew that his players were not responsible enough to do them responsibly.
And by his same reasoning...a sprinter would only train for roughly the exact time it takes him to run his sprint. Anyone ever seen sprinters train? They do a lot of distance running as well!
And by his same reasoning...a sprinter would only train for roughly the exact time it takes him to run his sprint. Anyone ever seen sprinters train? They do a lot of distance running as well!
JDid23
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It's obvious you know more than i do and i don't want to come off as demeaning, but i sprinted freshman year at high school (one of the best teams in NJ, and we had the best sprinter in the country at my high school) and we didn't do any distance... just a lot of HIIT
I don't have any experience with High School athletes (maybe it doesn't matter anyway) but I've worked with quite a few at the NCAA level and every single one would run quite a few 200 and 400m "sprints" no matter what their individual race was. "Long distance" probably wasn't the best term to use...but for someone who runs the 100m, 400m IS long distance
Another part of that is that when you can only take so many athletes to a meet or if someone gets hurt...sprinters CAN be substituted fairly well.
The point is simply that the time under stress and mimmicking the exact movement as you would do in your given sport is NOT the most important thing when it comes to training athletes. You have to train athleticism differently from strength. And most athletes were born with their athleticism.
JDid23
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I don't have any experience with High School athletes (maybe it doesn't matter anyway) but I've worked with quite a few at the NCAA level and every single one would run quite a few 200 and 400m "sprints" no matter what their individual race was. "Long distance" probably wasn't the best term to use...but for someone who runs the 100m, 400m IS long distance
Another part of that is that when you can only take so many athletes to a meet or if someone gets hurt...sprinters CAN be substituted fairly well.
The point is simply that the time under stress and mimmicking the exact movement as you would do in your given sport is NOT the most important thing when it comes to training athletes. You have to train athleticism differently from strength. And most athletes were born with their athleticism.
oh ok i see what you mean. When you said long distance, i immediately though of running 1/2 miles or longer. In that case, i agree with you- i ran the 55 and 200 and we ran sets of 400s and then took breaks, so yes that would actually be considered long distance as hard as it is for me to believe.
i never really understood why all you guys are doing all these heavy lifts. all ive ever done is drink my soy milk, eat lots of tofu, and do richard simmons aerobics and im fine. by the way bblazer your quads are going to explode with that new thigh master routine. make sure you wear a belt and keep your form good.
cool i got some 10% off vouchers from that site because of the amount of merchandise i bought from there maybe ill use it and superset those badboys with my leg extensions then my qwadz will be like OMGhuge
bblazer
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I'm going to wrap my knee with 3 meter Metal Black wraps and use my 2 ply canvas suit too.
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The guy in the video is a F*cking idiot. How he thinks he can be an authority on anything with an opinion as ignorant as that baffles me. If the masses were as educated as we were there would be a restraining order on tools like that so they couldn't get within 100 yards of any athlete of any sport just in case stupidity was contagious.
Jocques Straap
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Although the video is obviously a marketing agent to attract new customers to Sports science lab, while taking several cheap shots at traditional exercise, it also makes several good points about athletic training.
Athletes train to be the best at their sport, not to be the strongest.
There is no replacement for the squat or the dead, but to think that squats and deads are all that is necessary to build a healthy functioning athlete is foolish.
Strength is the base, the bottom of the pyramid. Without a big base, the pyramid can not grow tall. Squats, deads, traditional barbell exercises, are great for building a strength base.
Once an athlete demonstrates the appropriate strength necessary for their sport, than further strength gains will not show significant improvement in their athleticism. Which is their goal.
If your goal is strength, then by all means squat and deadlift your heart out.
The problem with all this, is it's about making money. If you own a company called sports science lab, you obviously need to market your business towards unique, fresh, interesting exercise movements designed at improving amateur athletes at sports. In this day and age, every serious high school athlete is already in the weight room squatting. The serious high school athletes are your customer base, pretty much impossible to convince them to give you money, so you can help do what they are all ready doing on their own or with a high school coach.
Marketing is the devil. The guy in this video works with professional athletes. He obviously knows quite a bit about athletic training. This video is an example of him selling out to make some $.
I especially don't like:
The foot talk - "athletes are on their toes, not their heels." You shouldn't squat off your heels. This is wrong - A real athlete uses their entire foot. Knowing when weight should be back on the heel, and knowing when weight should be on the toe. Again, simply going against the grain, attempting to attract new customers.
Athletic specificity - developing all around athleticism is great. However, what's more important than their overall athleticism, is their specific athleticism in their position of sport. As your body learns new movements, or motor patterns, it loses or forgets old. A sprinter for example, needs his body thinking about one thing. Sprinting. Doing all these other drills will round our sprinter out as an athletes, but could take away from his sprinting.
Athletes train to be the best at their sport, not to be the strongest.
There is no replacement for the squat or the dead, but to think that squats and deads are all that is necessary to build a healthy functioning athlete is foolish.
Strength is the base, the bottom of the pyramid. Without a big base, the pyramid can not grow tall. Squats, deads, traditional barbell exercises, are great for building a strength base.
Once an athlete demonstrates the appropriate strength necessary for their sport, than further strength gains will not show significant improvement in their athleticism. Which is their goal.
If your goal is strength, then by all means squat and deadlift your heart out.
The problem with all this, is it's about making money. If you own a company called sports science lab, you obviously need to market your business towards unique, fresh, interesting exercise movements designed at improving amateur athletes at sports. In this day and age, every serious high school athlete is already in the weight room squatting. The serious high school athletes are your customer base, pretty much impossible to convince them to give you money, so you can help do what they are all ready doing on their own or with a high school coach.
Marketing is the devil. The guy in this video works with professional athletes. He obviously knows quite a bit about athletic training. This video is an example of him selling out to make some $.
I especially don't like:
The foot talk - "athletes are on their toes, not their heels." You shouldn't squat off your heels. This is wrong - A real athlete uses their entire foot. Knowing when weight should be back on the heel, and knowing when weight should be on the toe. Again, simply going against the grain, attempting to attract new customers.
Athletic specificity - developing all around athleticism is great. However, what's more important than their overall athleticism, is their specific athleticism in their position of sport. As your body learns new movements, or motor patterns, it loses or forgets old. A sprinter for example, needs his body thinking about one thing. Sprinting. Doing all these other drills will round our sprinter out as an athletes, but could take away from his sprinting.
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