New to Steroids.

[02gixxersix]

I can believe that he could of gained 2.5 inches on his arm. The dude said he only weighed 110 lbs, when starting. Everyone knows that as a beginner they make their best gains.

For the person, that said he is overtraining, what are you talking about? He is not training intelligently, but I doubt he is overtraining. If anything you would want to be overtraining than undertraining as a beginner.

The main thing you need to look at is eating correctly, often enough and with food. 6 Scoops a day of protein is a waste. Replace about 2-4 of those scoops with real food, and then you will start to see some results. Why don't you post us a sample diet, and we will be able to help you better (include carbs and protein and fats). As for training, start reading the magazines and Arnold's book. The magazines are mostly a lie, but they do help give ideas for certain workouts. If there is no big guys at your gym to talk to, look at buying a pro's video. They typically have pretty good information in there, as well as seeing exactly how they train for about a weeks worth.

Why would anyone want to overtrain? Undertraining can not be juged by someone who posts a routine, you could only judge it by seeing the intensity with which they lift. His routine is terrible and he is doing volume training hitting every bodypart twice a week. If he is not growing then he is overtraining/undereating. Undertraining as you call it would not be the best way to optimize muscle growth but overtraining leads to easy plateauing and injury not to mention anxiety and sleeplessness. Any training will work when you first start out but if you are overdoing it you will stagnate quickly which is why most of the people you see in the gym look the same year after year.

 

[02gixxersix]

Also telling someone to get training advice from a magazine or pros video is just terrible advice bro. Those workouts are designed for people with a 275lb base to improve their lagging areas. If you want to give training advice tell him to go look at the 5X5 routine posted in the training forum from needsize or westside barbell or something like that. i disagree with dropping the protein powder as liquid meals unless you add penut butter and oats or something should have little affect on hunger. I agree he should add more food and maybe drop a shake or 2 if it is inhibiting his ability to eat but not drop them all together, they have their place.

 

[CaddysNJuice]

Bro, I aint going to lie. I started at 20. And it was the best thing for me, imho. And THATS ALL THAT FUCKING MATTERS, is your OWN opinion. Do all the research you can. Find out about protein intake, calorie intake, sleep, PROPER training tecniques, PROPER PCT(key) and the side effects of EACH compound you want to take. Take time to find other boards, which have huge steroid libraries with definitions of EACH compound. This is IMPORTANT. You want to know which drug will make you bulk, get stronger, make your dick limp, make you bald, good and bad, learn it.
Personally, im glad i got on. I trained for years, being in martial arts since the age of 12. But, for the life of me, no MATTER HOW MUCH I ATE AND TRAINED, i couldnt break 143 lbs. Many people call themselves hardgainers. But i sat down and calculated the ammount of money i spent on REAL food in one week. I spend 210 a WEEK on fucking food. Tell me im not a hardgainer and i will spit in your face. Anyways, after RESEARCHING alot, and even some flamming(oonly from this board), i learned all i needed to know and took the plunge. My first cycle took me from a starting 138 lbs and blasted me to 178 lbs, and only loosing 5 lbs due to a GOOD PCT. A good PCT=gains kept. My arms went from a 13" to 17.5" prolly close to 18 now.
Just read, read, eat, read,eat,eat and sleep. Then, and only then will you grow!

Happy growing

CNJ

 

[BigCracker]

Bro, I aint going to lie. I started at 20. And it was the best thing for me, imho. And THATS ALL THAT FUCKING MATTERS, is your OWN opinion. Do all the research you can. Find out about protein intake, calorie intake, sleep, PROPER training tecniques, PROPER PCT(key) and the side effects of EACH compound you want to take. Take time to find other boards, which have huge steroid libraries with definitions of EACH compound. This is IMPORTANT. You want to know which drug will make you bulk, get stronger, make your dick limp, make you bald, good and bad, learn it.
Personally, im glad i got on. I trained for years, being in martial arts since the age of 12. But, for the life of me, no MATTER HOW MUCH I ATE AND TRAINED, i couldnt break 143 lbs. Many people call themselves hardgainers. But i sat down and calculated the ammount of money i spent on REAL food in one week. I spend 210 a WEEK on fucking food. Tell me im not a hardgainer and i will spit in your face. Anyways, after RESEARCHING alot, and even some flamming(oonly from this board), i learned all i needed to know and took the plunge. My first cycle took me from a starting 138 lbs and blasted me to 178 lbs, and only loosing 5 lbs due to a GOOD PCT. A good PCT=gains kept. My arms went from a 13" to 17.5" prolly close to 18 now.
Just read, read, eat, read,eat,eat and sleep. Then, and only then will you grow!

Happy growing

CNJ

There ya go martek, someone telling you to take the plunge. Now you can delete this thread. lol Seriously bro, no flame meant to Caddys-but it's rare that guys like him will still be training 5 yrs from now. What seems to be the right decision now may come back to haunt him someday. Only time will tell. I've been hitting the gym 6 days a week for almost 19 yrs and I rarely take more than a day or so off at a time. It's rare if a guy in his early 20's still trains in his late 20's. Once most guys graduate from school or get married and have kids working out becomes a thing of the past.

Let me put it this way, I only know 3 other guys at my gym that I've seen consistenly for the past 10 yrs and are still in great shape. I don't think it's a coincidence none of us are married or have kids either.

Are you sure you want to dance with the devil for something that may not be important to you as you get older? I think roids are like cocaine-if you never try them, you'll never crave them(or what they do) because you won't know what your missing. Training natty after using AAS is like driving a Saturn after driving a new Vette as your daily driver. Just think about what you're about to do.

Initially I told myself I'd do one cycle only. I kept my word. I've done one cycle thats lasted 16 yrs and I'm sure I'll be on 200mgs/test wk minimum for the rest of my life. Are you ready to accept this as your potential fate? or even worse if complications arise? Looking good in the big coffin is cool-but not so cool if you're leaving others that care about you behind.

 

[JuicedAthletics]

Cracker,

That is a great post. I dont have near the experience you have, but i have a good 7 year of AAS use, and you are completely correct. Once you try it, you will have an extremely hard time training without it afterwards. It is like cocaine. You are always trying to get that "first high" everytime you cycle. And it will never happen again.

I dont want to say its a downward spiral because I enjoy what it does for me and I feel I am doing it in a "safe" way. But it is very addicting, very time consuming, and the choices and sacrafices you have to make to set yourself apart, sometimes dont seem logical.

I promised myself that I would do ONE cycle so I could bulk up and play football in college. Well, I bulked up. I played D1 ball, got hurt. No more football, but you know what stayed? The anabolics. It was almost like a security blanket for me back then, just like it is today. I have training natty for almost a year, but its hard to see others advance and you know damn well that that cannot be achevieved without certain supplements..

If I could do it over again, I would prolly take a different route. But now, I am kinda stuck. I enjoy it, but I dont think I could train natty without the sauce for the rest of my life.

 

[Martek]

Wow guys, you all have great advice and I am really happy to have come here. I learned alot and I would have really messed things up if I didn't ask you guys. thanks for the advice, i'd write more but im at work right now I will be at lunch in several hours. Thanks again guys and I have decided to hold off until I can see what I can really do. After all, only been in the gym for 3 months and I really like it and I have been getting strength gains each 2 weeks so I will go with that. Thanks everyone and your critisism is only pushing me harder to do better in the gym, thanks again,

-Brian

 

[needsize]

some good points on both sides of this thread, so here is my 0.02 cents
you actually have a decent physique, not much in the way of size, but you can tell you train, which is more than I can say about a lot of people who start the juice. But at this point, my suggestion would be keep researching the juice, but learn about training at the same time...you routine needs a major overhaul...
I bet at this point, if you jumped on a decent routine, one with mostly compound exercises, none of the frilly machine crap that it seems like you are doing, squats, deadlifts, heavy bench, close grip bench, standing barbell curls, etc....mad cows 5x5 is great, even my old routine would do wonders for you...but I bet switching to that kind of training, while still clean, you would grow almost as fast as you would on juice...ride that out till you arent growing anymore, then try a cycle. You will end up with way more size than you would have had if you didnt wait, as you will have added more size naturally, and will have learned a little more about training and your body, and therefor will make much better gains off your first cycle.
Thats what I did, although I waited longer than most, and looked like I could compete after my first cycle....a few years later, and look at my avatar...I credit it to learning as much as I could about my body, and how it responds to training, food, etc

 

[silver_shadow]

Also telling someone to get training advice from a magazine or pros video is just terrible advice bro. Those workouts are designed for people with a 275lb base to improve their lagging areas. If you want to give training advice tell him to go look at the 5X5 routine posted in the training forum from needsize or westside barbell or something like that. i disagree with dropping the protein powder as liquid meals unless you add penut butter and oats or something should have little affect on hunger. I agree he should add more food and maybe drop a shake or 2 if it is inhibiting his ability to eat but not drop them all together, they have their place.

the mag workouts are not even worth the time spent reading. your right about the other workouts. martek, head over to the training board. BTW you've made good gains and will continue to do so if you eat good (diet forum) and train well. at 5ft10 145 lbs you have no business juicing. more than 99.9% chances are that your body falls into the category that will make good gains natty easily till about 200lbs maybe even 220 or 230. when you reach that stage (preferably 220 naturally) then you know your training/eating is good. then you can think about juice. as i said, head over to the training forum - LOTS of good info there.

 

[CaddysNJuice]

search the 5x5 workout. That is the best to gain size and strength. This is what i started using and what i use all the time. It is a fantastic workout.
Juice IS addicting. When you stop, if you dont have proper pct, you will DEFLATE rapidly. THis is why so many people continue usage for long peroids of time. Also, when you come off, you miss the pumps you get from lifting your arms up over your head. These, along with side effects are draw backs. If you train more, while eating ALOT, you will grow. But, if you are thinking of using right now, you will be "cheating" To some, this is bad, to others, it helps get you to your platau faster...... To each his own. What ever you do, do it smart!

 

[BigCracker]

Wow guys, you all have great advice and I am really happy to have come here. I learned alot and I would have really messed things up if I didn't ask you guys. thanks for the advice, i'd write more but im at work right now I will be at lunch in several hours. Thanks again guys and I have decided to hold off until I can see what I can really do. After all, only been in the gym for 3 months and I really like it and I have been getting strength gains each 2 weeks so I will go with that. Thanks everyone and your critisism is only pushing me harder to do better in the gym, thanks again,

-Brian

Great attitude there bro. You've matured years already just with the knowledge you'll gain off reading this thread objectively.

And I don't want to have sex with you anymore either.